Episode 18: The Abducted/Transcript

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 * there's no place to escape to this is

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 * the last podcast on the left that's from

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 * the cannibalism started hey welcome

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 * everybody the last podcast on the left

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 * with Henry Zebrowski Marcus Parks I'm

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 * Ben Kissel we have a very special

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 * episode today Henry this is going to be

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 * a special learning episode you're going

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 * to learn for fuck's sake put the booze

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 * down stop smoking weed for a god yo

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 * second Henry that's our audience that's

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 * what they do just listen you don't want

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 * to listen and learn from this man all

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 * right they've got it all right ladies

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 * and gentlemen welcome Jeremy vanie to

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 * the studio Jeremy thank you so much for

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 * being here man uh can they smell this

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 * audio no no no no no all right we're

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 * done with this we let me just so many

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 * listeners and they can smell with this

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 * room smell like well we might have lost

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 * them before but we would certainly have

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 * lost them now ladies and gentleman we're

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 * starting a little bit later than usual

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 * Jerry was kind enough to wait what are

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 * you got here about 45 minutes ago right

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 * Henry yeah absolutely just before the

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 * podcast starts Henry says oh my pork

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 * burritos are here my poor little tacos

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 * are here thing and literally you guys

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 * know we record in a small scrotum so you

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 * don't they go to our room they know cuz

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 * we talk about in every episode yet I am

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 * a member of and Henry is brought it in

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 * and now it officially smells like the

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 * taint of a barback who has been working

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 * for 18 hours who just got home and

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 * realizes uh holy Lord this is why

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 * everyone looked at me terrible on the

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 * subway this is them you if you want to

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 * do good radio right when takes is and he

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 * literally eats it more disgusting than

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 * it sounds no I'm just saying it just

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 * takes poke we have a guest Henry I

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 * didn't fight I didn't take that last

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 * bite I put it in my mouth and I took it

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 * out I would hardly call what I'm going

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 * to contribute to the conversation guest

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 * work bullshit so um Jeremy vanie today

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 * we're gonna be discussing uh the

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 * wonderful world of alien abductions the

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 * whole the whole sphere of the outer

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 * universe and it's a

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 * fascinating fascinating subject it's

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 * really in there just in we'll talk about

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 * a lot on the show too so there's just so

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 * much bullshit out there about what alien

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 * abduction experiences are like they're

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 * people kind of twist the information for

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 * their various needs in terms of like

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 * entertainment or needing some sort of

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 * validation and speaking of twisted

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 * entertainment Jeremy has two two books

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 * one I know why the aliens don't land

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 * probably because they smell this studio

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 * is that going to be a that'll be a

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 * another edition to appendix today

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 * another book called urgency yes and a

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 * fantastic DVD called no one's watching

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 * an alien up deked abductees story and

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 * you run a podcast and it's called it's

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 * called perito Pia cook right ha ha ha ha

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 * ha have you ever been in such an

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 * unprofessional situation when I wasn't

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 * worse marlon brando when he was an actor

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 * when he was alive would he eat ice cream

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 * instead of perform you know he went rich

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 * and he was a genius he was fat you know

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 * what smells worse this room where the

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 * alien spacecraft you were sucked up tin

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 * right now in the room yeah good so good

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 * I'm happy that you feel not quite at

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 * home the room yeah can we stick it

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 * that's wet so I guess that we should

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 * just begin at the situation of alien

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 * contact yeah when it when did it happen

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 * or what would you like to start with

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 * Jimmy what's uh what's what's the thing

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 * you will I will show her that I mean you

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 * know when was the first I don't know

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 * that the first time that I sort of

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 * recognized this in my life was in eighth

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 * grade from Massachusetts originally

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 * going Vermont who kissed no Baggies note

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 * that 8th grade interesting I was also

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 * abducted by my hand

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 * when was your penis yeah your penis was

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 * never the same

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 * it was said so you're in eighth grade in

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 * Massachusetts woman yeah going to

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 * Vermont and somewhere along the Vermont

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 * New Hampshire border in the middle of

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 * the night in the middle of nowhere the

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 * stereotypical nonsense it's me my mother

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 * and my sister going for Graham

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 * parents and my mother sees it first off

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 * to the left between some mountains is

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 * like the worst toy looking spacecraft

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 * you could ever imagine if I took a

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 * picture every be like now it's like like

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 * like like cartoon looking like Brad you

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 * looked laughing you're like oh I didn't

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 * know there was an Ed Wood film being

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 * made well I like that ya know cuz I was

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 * ninth grade I wasn't that smart so I

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 * actually thought oh that's is that the

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 * sick cosign like from Boston yeah that

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 * was the only thing I had to compare it

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 * to but it was fluorescent or self

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 * luminescent green had porthole windows

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 * running down the center the top half is

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 * spinning one way the bottom half is

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 * spinning the other and it's just it's

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 * got red blue blinking lights is just

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 * like tilted on its axis doing that just

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 * in the air just spinning like this

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 * showboating like breakdancing it was the

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 * bad ship could breakdance like look at

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 * me look at me you know I might as well

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 * be blinking at you and um so you know we

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 * my mom says said later she didn't wanna

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 * she knows what happens when you stop so

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 * she decided to keep going my mother

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 * would have stopped and just enjoyed

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 * shooting I'm losing light on here mom

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 * that is not an alien that is obviously a

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 * mobile sign Jesus was going to come back

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 * in his own plane but you know so we get

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 * to the grandparents house and we think

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 * they're going to make fun of us hold

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 * conservative folk and it's the opposite

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 * it's they've got timeless mystery the

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 * unexplained on the coffee table and our

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 * uncle who's seen a UFO and now he's

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 * looking into it in blah blah so is like

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 * saw this thing and then had this other

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 * synchronistic situation and to my little

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 * pea-brain eighth grade mind uh that felt

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 * like like boom i was like taking out of

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 * my life you know is like like now there

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 * are puppet-masters or so that was weird

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 * there's a weird feel your that's one

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 * thing in reading about a hero that

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 * people have like sort of a lifelong

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 * involvement in it like people have that

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 * sort of synchronicity happen their whole

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 * lives will they'll see a sizeable see a

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 * UFO and then get abducted by one like

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 * they were chosen for like a long time

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 * ago right does that feel like a similar

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 * of course with the ghost hauntings and

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 * things of that nature and demon

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 * hauntings as well yeah no I've come to a

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 * different understanding I mean it the

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 * good thing about like coming to terms

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 * with this stuff as I did I guess in high

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 * school and in college is I got a little

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 * robot setup going on in high school

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 * an alien I want Amy I want to touch

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 * Amy's tits but I got aliens coming into

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 * my room at night it's very true uh

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 * thankfully that probably wasn't gonna go

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 * that way anyway yeah well we got some

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 * action so uh but no so so the point is

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 * you know all that stuff about sort of

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 * you know area 51 or I feel special I

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 * feel chose you know disclosure

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 * disclosure disclosure you know these

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 * sorts of like myths that surround this

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 * thing and these sort of belief systems I

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 * kind of got that out of my system early

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 * and now I don't even think it's aliens

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 * like I don't even know what it is but I

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 * think all bad on golden no no but uh all

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 * the paranormal stuff is is

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 * interconnected and so it's only in our

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 * own sort of like mental processing it's

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 * like it's the way our brains work where

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 * it's like almost like a grand

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 * hallucination no no it's like well for

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 * instance I do uh I have a podcast called

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 * perito Pia right so we just interviewed

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 * this woman who saw puck wedgie anyone

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 * know - puck wedgie is oh no it's this

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 * mythical creature of Indian lore

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 * basically like a little sort of troll I

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 * know Marcus has seen a troll yeah well

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 * goblin I'm sorry I'm sorry I was going

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 * so it's her and her friends and their

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 * something Cobb they they're driving

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 * along they have the intent of like it

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 * Halloween or something going up on the

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 * hill and finding the the hermit there's

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 * like the legend of some hermit you know

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 * in town or whatever they drive past

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 * where the hermit is supposed to be the

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 * car stalls this puck wuji this little

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 * hairy troll person comes out of a

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 * cornfield looks at them directly now and

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 * then scurries off and then the car

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 * starts up again and they keep going so

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 * here do we think about he's like jerking

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 * off he cannot escape it yeah he's like

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 * as she said you know he's just seemed

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 * like he you know go away kind of kind of

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 * look on his face and that's it but here

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 * you have like the car stalling and

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 * starting up again which is typical of a

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 * UFO sighting yeah and you've got the

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 * power of intention which is we really

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 * want to see of course I wanted to see

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 * this hermit which we didn't see but now

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 * you're going else yeah so you've

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 * definitely you know in this puck wedge

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 * you could have come out at any point you

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 * didn't need to come out make a showboat

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 * just like that UFO in the sky you didn't

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 * showboat and say you know look at me so

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 * to give his time to shine yeah it's what

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 * to get back to your original question

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 * like the why me thing sort of the thing

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 * that more my partner Jeff Richmond says

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 * and I agree with is that maybe this

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 * thing casts a fishing line at a young

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 * age and whoever tugs on it uh you know

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 * gets roped in so not so everyone has had

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 * a paranormal experiences whether or not

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 * they interpret it that way or they

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 * ignore it or whatever absolutely I

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 * totally agree I mean was there some was

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 * there a specific moment in high school

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 * or an eighth grade that you can remember

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 * that really like tugged on you I don't

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 * think that I had a paranoia I mean I

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 * don't I am oh yeah several million I

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 * think I think if you could count the

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 * number of times I masturbated and um you

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 * get a prize well I want to shoot the

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 * prizes to never have to think of you

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 * masturbating again so is there is there

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 * a specific moment though where you're

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 * like I think this is uh something

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 * supernatural and uh an alien or what was

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 * the what was your first thoughts when

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 * you when you realize what you were

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 * saying and experiencing um yeah well I

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 * would say that eighth grade thing was

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 * definitely the anchor because then there

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 * uh was did you ever go in like to a

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 * denial phase was they just confusion

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 * we're just like that's an alien I know

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 * an alien when I saw on and that's odd I

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 * wasn't like oh that's an alien when I

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 * first saw I was like what is that is

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 * that a like I said that the Citgo sign

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 * is that some sort of billboard like what

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 * is that it just it slowly dawned on me

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 * and I was like oh my god

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 * and then dawn on you after another

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 * experience where yeah yeah okay did you

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 * have it you had a physical experience to

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 * write were they do you got actually got

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 * abducted naked yeah Bob um with that

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 * when did that happen yeah well I had a

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 * bunch of uh sort of you know experiences

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 * that you could interpret a number of

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 * ways right and yet until October 2001

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 * and then that's when I actually got them

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 * it was like okay this yeah so what was

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 * yeah I want to talk about those early

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 * ones before the abduction because I

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 * think that's fascinating to see you know

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 * maybe it's like when you you know go

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 * fishing for a carp it's like when you

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 * first get it on the line you gotta be

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 * kind of gentle and let it go a little

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 * bit pretend like oh no you're gonna be

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 * fine I'm not gonna eat yeah yeah

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 * I'll never forget you have you'll see

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 * your kids again and just go higher than

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 * the rock but then of course you and then

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 * it gets comfortable and then you tug it

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 * up and you got a dinner for Henry for

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 * about a minute like Henry just eats the

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 * fish as soon as you get onto the column

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 * like a cartoon up that's where I just

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 * walk on it neat I did all I do is pull

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 * out the skeleton exactly it's a real

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 * Heathcliff cat so what was the what were

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 * some of the steps leading up to the

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 * abduction that really sort of struck you

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 * and made sense in hindsight maybe well I

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 * don't know if there were steps leading

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 * up to the abduction I think that there

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 * were a bunch of abduction type scenarios

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 * and then even looking like after sort of

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 * piecing this together and going making a

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 * pattern out of it and going okay what is

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 * this then I'd ask you know relatives

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 * anything anything in your lives so

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 * arguably my first experience was

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 * actually when I was three years old

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 * it's just I don't remember my dad

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 * remembers it and I'll tell you that

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 * story after these messages

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 * all right so continue on I'm sorry

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 * Tom that's total so you were three years

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 * old three years old a ripe young three

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 * and my dad remembers waking up in the

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 * middle a night just feeling as though

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 * there were somebody in the house and and

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 * then he hears me yelling from my bedroom

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 * he goes running in and he said it was

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 * like I was sort of half asleep but like

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 * either sitting up or standing up and

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 * pointing at a corner of the ceiling and

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 * yelling daddy make it go away make it go

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 * away

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 * oh that's terrifying yeah and then he

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 * said he felt somebody move behind him

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 * and he turned around there's nothing

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 * there and then he felt like whatever it

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 * was the Prowler in the house whatever

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 * had gone and that was it and as soon as

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 * he felt that I like lay back down asleep

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 * and he just stayed with me to make sure

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 * I was okay yeah terrified crushing up on

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 * a chair like a cat with his like hair

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 * sticking over the back of his neck

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 * fascinating oh my old man you pregnant I

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 * don't know I just ride a beta picture uh

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 * got it you got to think about that your

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 * dad was probably like how old was he at

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 * this point but how like in his like

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 * early 20s yeah yeah I mean like 23 24

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 * yeah can you imagine like I mean still

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 * that would 10:28 I would still terrify

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 * me now yeah fine whereas 23 years old if

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 * I just saw that I mean I would have a

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 * doobie in my mouth and I'm he like oh

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 * I'll see you too son I see you too don't

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 * worry kid you smoke and you buy the

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 * ticket you take the ride so I got some

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 * chicks out there dude you're ruining it

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 * for me that's not what I'm that's not

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 * what my 23-year old existence was like

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 * at all it wasn't so that was the first

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 * experience you were three year old three

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 * years old and so so and then the next

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 * one wasn't until you saw the alien

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 * spacecraft while you were on an eighth

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 * grade

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 * yeah I don't know it gave you some time

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 * off the camp time off or I just over

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 * maybe were just so unlikable the aliens

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 * respond I like way too easy for a while

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 * yeah he was a cute baby you know I

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 * thought what was the name of the child

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 * who got stolen uh the Lindbergh baby

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 * yeah Elliot Lindbergh like appeal and

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 * then you uh you grew up and they're like

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 * we're gonna give him some time so you

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 * had eight grade and then was it in

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 * freshman sophomore year of high school

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 * we started to feel other contact uh I

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 * think it was I think it was junior year

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 * okay sophomore dream I was 15 years old

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 * that much I remember Oh junior year 15 I

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 * was a freshman I was 15 a little slower

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 * than you maybe I was yeah too dumb to be

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 * abducted I think yeah yeah you be you

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 * yeah you'd be you look like bait hmm

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 * it's now right so you were 15 a

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 * brilliant junior getting all the

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 * poontang a boy could ever want to keep

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 * going you were handsome strapping the

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 * teachers teachers were like man you're

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 * so smart but you're also not a nerd so

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 * it's like weird that you I liked you

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 * everybody likes you it's good then

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 * you're also brilliant in your future is

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 * so bright and then I mean if it's

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 * amazing that we here on earth get to

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 * know you if there's anything out there

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 * you would think they would want to know

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 * you too you know something like that

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 * that was basically olive high school

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 * from within

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 * good good so one fine night at the ripe

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 * young age of 15 something walked into my

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 * bedroom I loved it cue comedians so

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 * anyway it's gonna rain

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 * um so something walks into room you're

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 * your father uh at this point I'm parents

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 * are divorced so it's definitely not my

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 * father

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 * yeah my mother is the only one there my

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 * sister is often college so that's what

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 * we called you for the sex isn't actually

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 * about aliens this is about divorce how I

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 * Co people okay so uh so yeah so you know

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 * for some reason I started waking up

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 * around 3:30 well on the dot 3:30 in the

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 * morning pretty much every morning for no

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 * known reason and then one fine 3:30 in

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 * the morning I'm woken up by my door

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 * opening and it makes us sound so it's

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 * very specific and that sort of jolts me

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 * awake and a shadow person carrying some

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 * sort of long pointy thing that I thought

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 * in my 15 year old had sword

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 * yeah walked in and was babbling at me I

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 * could see its head bobbing around and I

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 * could hear it and I just sat up in bed

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 * and just said ma what are you doing go

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 * back to sleep and immediately thought

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 * this isn't your mother you know what

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 * this is and I was just for whatever this

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 * means you know it's got the chills which

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 * feels great in this hot-ass room keep on

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 * telling me scary things so I can cool

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 * off yeah

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 * so I was completely horrified and just

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 * you know fight-or-flight instinct kicked

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 * in and I decided to fly I pulled the

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 * covers over my head that's all I

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 * remember that um and interestingly just

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 * it never even dawned on me in all these

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 * years to think you know why is it that

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 * the abductees uh they always like you

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 * know we are always like okay this

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 * terrifying thing happened and then the

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 * next morning it's like how do you go to

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 * sleep after that yeah like how is your

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 * body capable they like going to sleep

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 * after seeing it do you remember what it

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 * what it looked like no I don't remember

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 * what it's just like that it's like a

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 * short like shape but it was you too dark

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 * and it was too dark in the room

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 * yeah I'm interested in the babbling like

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 * what what did it sound like I don't know

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 * it was just yeah II give it a guess but

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 * I got it was it like that it was a lot

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 * like that weird it was maybe too much

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 * like that's not me interesting it was so

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 * next morning I asked my mom what did you

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 * come into my room and of course the

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 * answer is no so did you know the aliens

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 * I let in the house came in so with this

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 * so called sword object did he do

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 * anything to you with that or that was

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 * just more you just left after you put

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 * the sheets over your head I don't know

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 * that's all that's that's it that little

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 * unsatisfying tidbit of memories all I

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 * have

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 * that's fat and perhaps it was a

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 * wonderfully romantic evening and as I

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 * have with most of the ladies that I am

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 * in kind with I always erase their

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 * memories I also I wonder too you know I

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 * know this is like I don't know a bit in

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 * sort of the way you were describing like

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 * paranormal like at sort of phenomena I

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 * know that I've had psychedelic

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 * experiences which is like and where I

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 * have been it feels like I was visited

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 * and this is sort of like I'm talking

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 * about like tripping balls where I

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 * mushrooms on mushrooms right thank you

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 * kisses while I was in college um I don't

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 * have them anymore police uh but I

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 * remember have being approached by what

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 * seemed to be some sort of other sort of

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 * like personality like in not like of my

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 * own brain that was if it was technically

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 * alien to me and sort of like led me

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 * through a sort of like speech upon like

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 * the nature of reality which i think is

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 * kind of a common thing that people when

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 * when you when something that happens

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 * like especially in like sort of

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 * hallucinogenic experience where it's

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 * like that's a common trope we have like

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 * a guy do you think that's something that

19:22
 * that sounds like that words like are

19:24
 * they getting you acclimated whatever it

19:26
 * is or it's like your own brain gets you

19:29
 * acclimated to like oh you know I mean

19:31
 * the only time I've ever I heard that

19:33
 * babble one more time uh in high school

19:36
 * yeah and then not again after that and

19:39
 * then I would hear this female speaking

19:42
 * English so yeah how many experiences did

19:45
 * you have in total I mean just in looking

19:47
 * back I know that sigh it's like a

19:48
 * morphus so it's like

19:51
 * let's see how many total before the

19:54
 * actual abduction before before what

19:58
 * before that yeah I don't know it's hard

20:02
 * to say because between I mean the weird

20:05
 * thing to me is between eighth grade and

20:06
 * then I started having these sort of

20:08
 * there was a first time I remember having

20:09
 * first-person dreams and they're like

20:10
 * first-person bits of flashback yeah uh

20:13
 * so I don't know if to include those I

20:16
 * mean if I go include those then I would

20:18
 * say none and you feel that and then uh

20:21
 * there were maybe three more incidents in

20:24
 * high school when did the actual when did

20:26
 * the actual abduction take place like um

20:32
 * what I mean I said we need the actual

20:35
 * because you said that it wasn't there

20:36
 * was like a culminating event or is that

20:38
 * the ballet no I mean I had a bunch of

20:40
 * like I said just odd things UFO

20:43
 * sightings and yeah things like this that

20:45
 * what I guess when saying is you know I

20:47
 * could always say to myself well maybe

20:49
 * I'm putting these things together

20:51
 * because I definitely saw that thing in

20:53
 * eighth grade like they're getting around

20:54
 * a brush I mean yeah you saw that and

20:56
 * that that thing was there and so it am i

20:59
 * tricking myself my delusional

21:01
 * essentially I know what you're sent to

21:02
 * in eighth grade I was very fat and I

21:04
 * felt like in deep another demon an angel

21:06
 * actually uh came to be an item dead

21:08
 * serious and it was really really

21:09
 * powerful and then that summer ended up

21:11
 * losing a hundred pounds and I always

21:13
 * kept that with me and they always let me

21:15
 * just say it was like you're I was like I

21:16
 * want to lose weight and I felt like this

21:18
 * really big president's been like you're

21:19
 * gonna be fine you can lose weight you

21:20
 * can do all this stuff and it was a

21:21
 * really nice calming feeling that I never

21:23
 * had before because my family life was

21:25
 * terrible and and I feel like they always

21:28
 * correlate something with like puberty

21:29
 * and and those sorts of experiences do

21:32
 * you think that that had anything to do

21:33
 * with it as far as just like do well and

21:36
 * in a way I mean uh when you need the

21:39
 * aliens most in other words I feel like

21:40
 * that's when they reach out to you when

21:42
 * you're in eighth grade and you're

21:43
 * miserable like nobody likes me yeah yeah

21:45
 * bodies I mean here comes the learning

21:47
 * part yes yeah the program a man named

21:50
 * George Hanson who has written about a

21:53
 * trickster theory which we have put to

21:55
 * the test and it turns out just is always

21:57
 * true which is that paranormal events UFO

22:00
 * events all types of Bigfoot all of these

22:02
 * things

22:03
 * tend to happen a to marginal people

22:05
 * which I fit the bill and be down times

22:09
 * of anti structure so whatever your

22:11
 * normal in anti structure whatever your

22:13
 * normal routine is if you're moving if

22:16
 * you're getting divorced if you're going

22:18
 * through puberty whatever it is you know

22:19
 * that would be anti structural be anti

22:21
 * your normal sense of flow so when you're

22:24
 * when you find yourself out of your

22:26
 * normal sense of flow uh it's as if you

22:29
 * know that jostles something and the

22:31
 * greater environment you normally don't

22:32
 * see comes alive and and yet good example

22:35
 * of a medieval whore

22:37
 * yeah we talked about that turd like

22:39
 * poltergeist activity in hauntings is

22:42
 * like it kind of implies that's really

22:44
 * interesting like it's it's it's

22:46
 * something about how like the universe

22:48
 * kind of floods in when there's

22:50
 * incivility and so what is the reason for

22:53
 * that uh well I I put it together with

22:56
 * what I learned from a friend jokes and

22:58
 * ghost horse who's a Lakota speaker who

23:00
 * says Indians don't get abducted which I

23:04
 * like yes good when did you say his last

23:08
 * name was ghost horse yes Wow that's a

23:11
 * good last name that is great name yeah

23:12
 * uh but he with in part his first name is

23:15
 * long face long face ghost horse you know

23:18
 * well he talks about the Lakota think you

23:20
 * know they see the world as metaphors

23:23
 * with in metaphors they don't really see

23:25
 * linear you know sort of structured you

23:28
 * know mindset the way through that lens

23:31
 * the way we do and I think I think

23:33
 * through um well first Christianity and

23:36
 * then materialist science I think you

23:38
 * know the Western mind has blinders that

23:40
 * is completely natural to people who live

23:43
 * naturally you know yeah so I think

23:45
 * people live naturally have a completely

23:47
 * different relationship with this because

23:49
 * their different leadership with their

23:50
 * environment so I really think it's just

23:51
 * white man you know and white world

23:54
 * people perhaps in general uh yet cuz

23:56
 * they don't treated it's like it's almost

23:58
 * like refreshing it's like a repression

23:59
 * yeah but the OB treat that they'd like

24:01
 * we were saying like sort of the greater

24:03
 * universe as not a big deal it's as a

24:05
 * matter of fact is a part of their life

24:06
 * so it's like it's not this unknown

24:09
 * mystery never time you see a phenomena

24:11
 * like that it's not that person

24:13
 * simple mystery like there's no there's

24:15
 * no fear it's not like oh my god this is

24:17
 * out to kill us we've got to go to war

24:18
 * against alien you know it's none of that

24:19
 * stuff it's like accepted its you know

24:22
 * yeah that we our forefathers are around

24:25
 * us all the time so it's so much a

24:26
 * mystery is more as it's more of an

24:28
 * interest if they would see an alien like

24:30
 * I'm just interested in what that is like

24:31
 * well there's our star brothers and

24:32
 * sisters you know it's like what Opie has

24:34
 * corn on that space disc I hope he

24:37
 * doesn't so we can sell himself I think

24:39
 * we've got to make some money or doing

24:41
 * something along the way we we you know

24:42
 * got so wrapped up in killing off um you

24:46
 * know witches in and occult stuff and all

24:50
 * that that is illegal to practice that I

24:53
 * mean I think I think we lost something

24:55
 * in there I mean I think part of that is

24:57
 * you know great let's get rid of the

24:58
 * superstitious stuff but I think we lost

25:00
 * something real there as well I think

25:02
 * that real thing comes knocking on the

25:04
 * door when your sense of normalcy gets

25:06
 * jostled here the effort of the witches

25:08
 * but they kept the bloodletting so they

25:10
 * were a little bit off still happening

25:11
 * yeah um that is really that's a great

25:15
 * that's a great waiting this makes me

25:17
 * think of ancient aliens who's been

25:18
 * watching fucking show so much recently

25:20
 * and there was um was in the tribe in

25:23
 * South America that like talks about the

25:25
 * the the grant the fact that their

25:27
 * pyramids really helped it like sort of

25:29
 * like as sort of geological maps are for

25:32
 * alien life form in which that you know

25:35
 * that we come from them and that we were

25:37
 * made by an alien race in order to either

25:40
 * work for them or as a sort of like they

25:43
 * were putting themselves here and there

25:45
 * was like all those various theories of

25:46
 * like they're us but from the future he

25:50
 * whoa I still love him her this is your

25:56
 * insensitive so what was the so what was

25:58
 * the big culminating that when did you

25:59
 * see big comedy moment was October 2001

26:03
 * uh my moment of auntie stretch nearly

26:05
 * the anniversary yes um I I had yeah it

26:11
 * is yeah it's weird I had a girlfriend at

26:14
 * the time which that's also we comedians

26:16
 * yes shut up uh and we were like with

26:22
 * this is an Astoria and we

26:24
 * relying on a floor on a mattress on the

26:26
 * floor and have a bed quit yet well let's

26:28
 * see why she love you

26:30
 * he's very romantic he doesn't have

26:32
 * electricity it's all candlelight yes

26:34
 * Louella bastok so this happened here in

26:36
 * the city yes and in the middle of night

26:40
 * um I bright light comes flooding in the

26:44
 * window and I sort of climb over her to

26:47
 * pull the shades back and see what the

26:49
 * hell this is

26:50
 * and I mean there's this sort of diffuse

26:52
 * bright white light and it's not waking

26:55
 * her up I can't see what the sources but

26:56
 * not a Polish deli that just opened up

26:58
 * across the street no no I'm actually

27:00
 * down it like you have to walk down some

27:03
 * stairs so I'm in like this little pseudo

27:05
 * alleyway that's so really no lights no

27:09
 * unnatural life no uh so it's not waking

27:13
 * her up I don't care I decide I'll you

27:15
 * know roll back over go to sleep I roll

27:16
 * over and there are three little gray

27:19
 * guys in tunics yeah uh standing there

27:22
 * just hovering and now like I just

27:25
 * immediately go into animalistic fear

27:27
 * like it's as if you know what let's

27:30
 * let's be the you know a writer here for

27:32
 * a second it is as if you know you have a

27:34
 * soul and they could eat it if they want

27:36
 * to yeah like that's the only way I can

27:38
 * describe the Terek it's not like I mean

27:40
 * I've been in a fire I've been in life in

27:41
 * death situations and this is like beyond

27:45
 * that this is like how do I seen

27:47
 * something you're you not expecting to

27:49
 * expecting to see at all well you know

27:52
 * what I think it's more than that because

27:53
 * the more I think about this experience

27:55
 * like well I mean what happened in it you

27:58
 * know immediately there is they're

27:59
 * standing there and sort of smiling or

28:01
 * whatever but like with this childlike

28:04
 * naivete now-now-now like closed mouth I

28:07
 * mean okay but there's nothing hostile

28:10
 * going on

28:11
 * yeah the fear reaction isn't you know

28:14
 * the structure gear the unknown it's like

28:17
 * an ear dry well I think there's

28:18
 * something about the clash of of whatever

28:20
 * happens here that where fear is like a

28:22
 * necessary barrier or something almost

28:24
 * fit I mean because I feel like it's it's

28:26
 * in a way I mean it's any structural it's

28:29
 * the end of your sense of self your sense

28:31
 * of normalcy yeah I immediately taken

28:33
 * away yeah you're not meeting them like

28:35
 * like what

28:36
 * Side Story the Sharks and you don't know

28:38
 * that Shane being a club we uh yeah but

28:40
 * it's also kind of the same reaction I

28:41
 * imagine when black people versus all

28:44
 * white people when white people showed up

28:45
 * and it's just like phone mom a couple

28:50
 * over media were just like don't let them

28:52
 * off the boat destroy them so you're

28:56
 * maybe I understand it so yes so you know

29:00
 * you're in this alley facing these three

29:01
 * green in the alley yes I'm in an alley

29:03
 * I'm in my bedroom good facing these

29:06
 * beings whatever and the next thing I

29:09
 * know and there's no transition it's just

29:11
 * the next thing I know I'm standing I'm

29:13
 * in my underwear as I went to bed and I'm

29:14
 * standing in this nondescript room with

29:17
 * that's completely black but that same

29:19
 * diffuse light is in this room it's sort

29:22
 * of shining down from somewhere above and

29:26
 * in front of me uh is a row of tables

29:28
 * with humans on them naked a seemingly

29:31
 * passed out mm-hmm and the one closest to

29:34
 * me is a blonde woman maybe you know I

29:37
 * don't know like early fifties so they're

29:38
 * lying on these tables yeah yeah they're

29:40
 * lying on these tables unconscious I

29:41
 * assume and the three beings are standing

29:44
 * around the the woman closest to me like

29:45
 * just presenting like this you know I'm

29:48
 * doing a hand you say radio you like yeah

29:50
 * thank you I feel like I'm getting soul -

29:54
 * warm out that's like you know the

29:57
 * gesture is like yep this is what we do

29:59
 * for a living like show and tell uh and

30:01
 * and now I must be sedated because I'm

30:04
 * not like scared at all but I'm just sort

30:06
 * of out of it and I'm standing there

30:07
 * looking at this and I'm thinking to

30:08
 * myself why am I seeing this in that

30:11
 * female voice that I talked about earlier

30:12
 * answers because you've always want to

30:14
 * remember what an abduction was like and

30:15
 * then I remember having a really long

30:19
 * conversation with this woman but when I

30:21
 * got up the next day and this is after

30:24
 * I've been writing for you if a magazine

30:25
 * I've written a book I've done all the

30:26
 * shit I didn't want it to be real because

30:29
 * when it happens it doesn't matter that

30:31
 * it is real it's like you are like no no

30:33
 * this didn't happen so I decided to let

30:35
 * it go and I just let it go uh for

30:38
 * another couple years wow that's it I

30:40
 * think it's a very interesting reaction

30:42
 * especially to somebody who's been to

30:43
 * John Rick because yeah isn't that the

30:45
 * that's the Golden Calf you were just

30:47
 * given the gay

30:48
 * after you you can you can read a huge

30:49
 * book about this you know or whatever it

30:52
 * is like you you made contact I think

30:54
 * it's part of the brain though I think

30:55
 * the brain just doesn't want you to have

30:57
 * the information for some reason like he

31:00
 * doesn't want you to have sort of

31:01
 * conscious touching it will I think it is

31:03
 * it's also you probably just don't have

31:04
 * to deal with it in your real life

31:06
 * once you come I mean it's like no it's

31:07
 * not being gay to some degree you were in

31:09
 * the closet about your abduction and once

31:11
 * you like I'm the guy who was abducted

31:13
 * then you have two punks you're on a lot

31:15
 * less podcast below want to know right

31:18
 * it's not bad I think it's one thing to

31:20
 * theorize about something but then when

31:21
 * you actually experience it as horrifying

31:23
 * it's like oh Jesus you know am I wrong

31:26
 * am i lying to myself you know right you

31:27
 * do any sort of aggressive therapy like a

31:29
 * unit hypnotherapy all I had done that in

31:32
 * college yeah and and this is about the

31:38
 * point where George Noory kicks me off

31:39
 * his show uh so yeah so kousaka's a.m.

31:44
 * which is another um which is their

31:47
 * paranormal sort of it it's a wackadoo

31:50
 * show it's kind of it's how the

31:51
 * granddaddy of know of all yeah it's it's

31:53
 * the old the old grandfather that talks

31:56
 * about you know it's you you know works

31:58
 * for the post office he talks about the

32:00
 * Union people are trying to take money

32:02
 * out of his pockets on but George Noory

32:05
 * is kind of a ridiculous human being who

32:07
 * was the DJ for Costa Go Sam and you got

32:10
 * kicked off the show yes and watch me tie

32:13
 * all this up together in a nice little

32:14
 * bow please do so I was on promoting the

32:17
 * culture of contact the first we did two

32:19
 * festivals the first one was successful

32:21
 * the second one was such a bomb that I'm

32:23
 * surprised didn't take my life people

32:27
 * like daring apart the vessel yeah but

32:29
 * they they wanted me to set up a night

32:30
 * for them of me so I was supposed to go

32:32
 * on coast coast and then stay on the line

32:36
 * and answer calls yeah well no no well

32:38
 * talk to like I gave them but Hopkins and

32:40
 * Steve Bassett and maybe bill burns I

32:43
 * don't remember anyway so I set up this

32:46
 * night for them and uh you know before

32:48
 * you go on coast to coast they first of

32:50
 * all they make you hand in questions

32:52
 * since like so they yeah you do their job

32:55
 * for that our sourcing is like well thank

32:57
 * you thank you so much we're so glad you

33:00
 * could die

33:00
 * how'd you become the coolest man in the

33:02
 * world well let me tell you but here's

33:04
 * where it really sucks uh they say if you

33:07
 * don't have a landline go rent a hotel

33:09
 * room because you're gonna sell a million

33:10
 * copies of your book and it's going to be

33:12
 * in your best interest could you imagine

33:13
 * if I rented a hotel room in New York if

33:16
 * I didn't have a landline and then got

33:18
 * kicked off the show like oh no absolute

33:20
 * it's ludicrous

33:21
 * yeah you listen so ok so I do the show

33:22
 * and he had just gotten the readings back

33:25
 * from some sci-fi thing that he thought

33:27
 * was going to be his big ticket to uh TV

33:29
 * and the ratings were awful and so

33:31
 * apparently if right here he was in a

33:32
 * funk and so we were connecting but when

33:35
 * I told that format story the UFO his

33:38
 * answer to that was could it be angels

33:46
 * talking about George is just slappy I'm

33:50
 * a slap you George yeah I haven't heard

33:52
 * the show since art bell so I thought he

33:54
 * was joking I realized he had this whole

33:55
 * Catholic trip sometimes no laughs it was

33:57
 * like oh come on yeah I was like that was

34:00
 * my attitude

34:01
 * he's like angels are responsible for

34:03
 * quite a bit of pronominal pretty much

34:05
 * and then he asked me about hypnosis at

34:07
 * some point during this you know I was on

34:09
 * for maybe 20 minutes a half-hour uh and

34:11
 * I told him um you know in college I went

34:16
 * to with regular like school guidance

34:18
 * counselor who was like you seem normal

34:20
 * you have a handle on your background

34:21
 * nothing I can do for you uh uh goodbye

34:25
 * well well no let's wait therapist no

34:28
 * supposed to be better than sent me to so

34:30
 * she's like I'll send you to the head of

34:32
 * the uh it was Hartford University of

34:35
 * Hartford I went to Hartford mental ward

34:37
 * uh he can take a look at you which is

34:40
 * like geez do I want to take this dare

34:42
 * yeah are you talking about yeah Justice

34:44
 * League like no don't worry about it just

34:47
 * come a little closer no just take the

34:49
 * girls with yeah there's a guy there's a

34:50
 * guy with like a laser pointer I made for

34:53
 * him where's Moses torches go to sleep

34:55
 * scuba for this guy kept asking about

34:56
 * like the times that I would take showers

34:59
 * with this girl Stacey and not actually

35:01
 * touch her and all this earth so he was

35:03
 * really interested in the sexual aspect

35:05
 * and so I told him about you know the

35:06
 * alien stuff thing walks in my room and I

35:09
 * any keeps going on with sex questions I

35:11
 * say well what about the thing I actually

35:13
 * came in here for

35:14
 * you know millions he's like well that's

35:16
 * a dreams misinterpretations and

35:18
 * hallucinations anyway getting back to

35:20
 * the shower sounds like wasn't working so

35:23
 * that I sought out hypnotherapist uh and

35:26
 * she was to new-agey for my liking

35:28
 * yeah she's like what we'll spin the

35:30
 * we'll spin the crystal and event points

35:33
 * towards the ocean we know it's true yes

35:35
 * like very good thank you so here's where

35:38
 * you kicked off coast I basically I I

35:40
 * remember when I got out I felt as I was

35:44
 * under for a few minutes and I remember

35:47
 * like the surface level stuff I told her

35:50
 * which felt like me trying to please the

35:52
 * therapist in for real at all but when I

35:55
 * came out of it it was actually hours

35:57
 * later and she offered me free therapy

36:00
 * and it never daunted me until my first

36:03
 * radio interview to promote my first book

36:06
 * that when they asked me so what did you

36:08
 * say

36:08
 * never daunted me in all those years to

36:10
 * actually ask her what did I say she

36:12
 * never told me she never what yeah yeah

36:14
 * so I wonder if I was given like a

36:15
 * posthypnotic suggestion to not remember

36:17
 * and not ask like I don't know it's my

36:19
 * name is Barbara of a Carvey what is a VA

36:22
 * CAA are so you're gonna know this woman

36:25
 * don't they report him now don't they

36:26
 * regard Lee supposed to record all that

36:27
 * shit

36:28
 * that's ridiculous I don't think she

36:29
 * didn't record it I I don't know but I

36:31
 * never went back to her because I thought

36:32
 * she was too new eg yeah I told and she

36:35
 * stole all your memories yes I told nori

36:37
 * this and his answer was why'd you just

36:40
 * tell me that story as like well cuz you

36:43
 * asked what you mean things like but you

36:45
 * don't remember what you said so why'd

36:46
 * you tell it to me like because that's

36:48
 * actually what happened I make it up if

36:52
 * he's really into Catholicism you gonna

36:53
 * make up stories for him in real code as

36:55
 * possible and they're coming back in 2012

36:58
 * and like dog things like I knew it and

37:01
 * they'll be bringing juices with them

37:02
 * that'll be one of that's great so I am

37:04
 * still interested so so how long was it

37:07
 * before you express the this abduction

37:09
 * story how many years did you wait before

37:11
 * you got it off your conscious and made

37:13
 * like a public statement about it

37:17
 * I guess I wrote the book in 2003 and

37:20
 * then I gave it to UFO magazine to review

37:22
 * and they said hey you're a good writer

37:24
 * why don't you come right for us so

37:26
 * that's great that's in the abduction

37:27
 * happened around 2000 it was in 2001 2001

37:30
 * that abducted yeah it was it was a month

37:33
 * after 9/11 in New York while I was

37:36
 * losing my virginity whoa Angie stretcher

37:42
 * because that was wondering what the anti

37:44
 * structure was it was like all right well

37:46
 * you know it's October 2001 there's some

37:48
 * weird shit going on in the city

37:49
 * interests mega by using your virginity I

37:53
 * wanted Wow that I just don't I the more

37:57
 * we were talking about this a little bit

37:59
 * before the show where it's just the more

38:00
 * you dig the more the more you look into

38:03
 * it the more you research it it just it

38:05
 * gets hairier and hairier yeah yeah you

38:07
 * don't know what the hell is why I mean I

38:08
 * don't you know aliens that doesn't make

38:09
 * sense like nothing nothing that you

38:11
 * throw at this really makes sense right

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 * no do you think it is it about an agenda

38:16
 * do you believe though that you met

38:18
 * separate personalities like these were

38:21
 * things outside of your own brain yeah

38:24
 * and that do you think that they have an

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 * agenda like is it like do you think or

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 * is it just a matter is it all personal

38:30
 * is it about a subjective experience um

38:35
 * that's a tough question to answer i

38:38
 * don'ti I'm sorry I know this is it's

38:40
 * also usage that you said earlier like at

38:43
 * the very beginning that you don't know

38:44
 * if it's aliens right yes point like what

38:47
 * do you believe it is then alright I mean

38:49
 * well I mean I think that whatever I

38:50
 * don't think the word alien serve but

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 * like I think when we think of aliens we

38:54
 * anthropomorphize this thing and we oh

38:57
 * okay that's not like we do a lot more

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 * like we want the government to tell us

39:01
 * what's going on and so we can have

39:02
 * galactic NAFTA yeah go join the Galactic

39:05
 * Federation yeah we want to get there via

39:07
 * their galactic plutonium to make our

39:09
 * yeah like we want to get their stuff I

39:11
 * want to find a conehead girl with a real

39:15
 * hot girl with a conehead Connie was

39:16
 * pretty hot out kind of store

39:18
 * I think whatever it is I think it it um

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 * either it or it uses or we filter them

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 * through wood however that works out

39:26
 * cultural constructs and so now they look

39:29
 * like aliens before they look like

39:30
 * fairies before that they look like you

39:32
 * know Marion visions and and that it's

39:34
 * not about what they are specifically

39:36
 * it's it's just about what they kind of

39:38
 * stand for which is a greater universe

39:40
 * well here comes my spiritual stick which

39:42
 * is I think that whatever this is of a

39:44
 * oneness consciousness yeah and so I

39:47
 * think from their point of view it's one

39:48
 * waking oneself up a sign that maybe it's

39:52
 * have been coming from inside your own

39:53
 * brain like ah or do you that so you do

39:56
 * you think it's a collective unconscious

39:58
 * type of thing no no I do I think that

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 * they have an independent reality outside

40:05
 * of me yeah yeah all right I do do I also

40:08
 * think that they are intricately linked

40:10
 * to us yes oh yeah uh so alright how does

40:13
 * one explain that but I also I mean the

40:15
 * DMT connection um is also there you know

40:18 3:30 in the morning your brain produces 40:20
 * the most DMT yeah and what's DMT it's uh

40:24
 * it's the the hallucinatory chemical

40:27
 * compound found in I think shrooms right

40:29
 * yeah well DMT in and of itself is

40:31
 * drugged and it's the rate so it's also

40:33
 * the the illusion and that's released

40:35
 * like in moments before you die

40:37
 * yeah I pine eel glands interesting is

40:40
 * the one like makes dying okay but he'll

40:42
 * again that's kind of just sort of that

40:44
 * could just be a sort of window why how

40:46
 * we're all sort of we're all late all the

40:48
 * whole thing's liked the whole thing is

40:51
 * is all connect each other it's kind of

40:52
 * nebulous right so frequencies man yeah I

40:54
 * mean I do want to say just one thing

40:56
 * because two years after that experience

40:59
 * the 2001 experience we had a subletter

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 * at our apartment in Astoria and I was in

41:04
 * a different bedroom and uh I was talking

41:08
 * him in the morning and getting to know

41:10
 * him in my my left nostril started

41:12
 * bleeding and that triggered a flashback

41:13
 * to what happened that night uh which

41:16
 * I'll I'll save you the gory details no

41:18
 * do not save them dude yeah well cuz this

41:21
 * gets into another word this is where I

41:22
 * jump the shark sort of moment jump in so

41:26
 * jump jump the shark uh well there's this

41:30
 * other thing that

41:31
 * is not created by this alien thing but

41:33
 * is related which then are you guys

41:34
 * familiar with Kundalini no no okay well

41:37
 * there's this mysterious energy called

41:40
 * Kundalini and that it turns out is real

41:42
 * which makes the you know once it's

41:45
 * activated or whatever makes the body do

41:48
 * if you shut up long enough to let this

41:51
 * seemingly other will do its thing does

41:53
 * like Taichi and does yoga and does lots

41:55
 * of crazy looking things well this is now

41:59
 * active in me uh and so if I let it go

42:03
 * it'll do that type of stuff things I'm

42:05
 * not really familiar with but this finite

42:07
 * it clearly wanted to move around yeah

42:10
 * and it just pinched the bridge of my

42:11
 * nose which was a completely pedestrian

42:14
 * thing is that that later in the night

42:16
 * once again just like in the other

42:18
 * bedroom of the same apartment I woke up

42:20
 * bright light um what was it yeah it was

42:24
 * bright light that woke me up so the

42:28
 * windows here movie re audio people while

42:31
 * we understand the words you my right and

42:34
 * the windows to my left front uh and I'm

42:37
 * looking out the window and like why is

42:39
 * it bright in here if there's no the Sun

42:41
 * isn't up like what the hell and you know

42:43
 * just glance over to my right and where

42:46
 * my wall should be is like this vortex or

42:49
 * force field or something that same

42:51
 * bright white light that I had seen

42:52
 * outside my window in the other bedroom

42:54
 * and when I looked at this my nose

42:56
 * started bleeding down the back of my

42:58
 * throat so I think whatever this energy

43:00
 * is cauterized my nose before I went to

43:02
 * sleep so I wouldn't bleed out all over

43:04
 * the place but then when I had bloody

43:06
 * nose in the morning it triggered the

43:07
 * memory of all this having happened it's

43:09
 * uh really interesting and the reason I'm

43:11
 * telling you this is because that quality

43:13
 * of light you know was the same quality

43:16
 * from the other experience from 2001 and

43:18
 * part of the way that I was able to deny

43:21
 * that experience is to say well there's

43:23
 * no chance in hell they're bright light

43:24
 * shining through my window and all of

43:25
 * Queens wasn't woken up there couldn't

43:27
 * have been like a ship shining a light

43:29
 * through my window that's not possible

43:30
 * yeah and so this told me well that's

43:33
 * right so what it is is this portal opens

43:35
 * up and you know there they are

43:40
 * thing Wow Betty that's so amazing it is

43:43
 * so amazing thank you so much for coming

43:45
 * on and talking with I just want to know

43:47
 * just lastly like how does this shape

43:48
 * your worldview like how do you vote for

43:50
 * the President of the United States

43:52
 * Eddie pay you how do you get a gladiator

43:55
 * for food yeah I would like the General

43:57
 * Tso's Urza portal in my rooms will get

43:59
 * me too I don't know when they're coming

44:01
 * like how do you do that like how do you

44:03
 * live in both worlds at once um that's a

44:08
 * good question to Hawaii it was a lot

44:09
 * harder before I mean I I think um I mean

44:13
 * in a way it's it's difficult but it's

44:17
 * good that it's happening to me because I

44:18
 * feel like I have a good handle on like

44:21
 * unlike other people in this field who

44:25
 * are completely like socially retarded

44:26
 * like I I understand the joke I get like

44:29
 * if I didn't if it's one having to me

44:30
 * like I wouldn't believe me like there's

44:32
 * not a chance in hell I believe me and so

44:34
 * if you've got that like sense of humor

44:36
 * about it I think it gets you through one

44:38
 * last question the hardest question of

44:39
 * the day didn't crust or deep dish man

44:44
 * deep dish yeah if anything else you want

44:50
 * to plug before

44:51
 * what no no well just I brought a bunch

44:54
 * of extra books and DVDs for your

44:57
 * listeners if you want to do some sort of

44:58
 * that's a little easy con we have the

45:00
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45:02
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45:04
 * followed by big fat scary so we'll also

45:06
 * tie this into that and the books are

45:09
 * urgency and I know why the aliens don't

45:12
 * land the movie is no one's watching an

45:14
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45:17
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45:19
 * yes they are glad you asked that thank

45:20
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45:21
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45:24
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45:31
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45:33
 * side I hear you thank you again so much

45:36
 * for coming down Jeremy vane

45:38
 * thank you so much man this has been my

45:39
 * favorite episode yet absolutely it's

45:41
 * been amazing Thank You Jeremy Magoo

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