Episode 4: Cults/Transcript

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 * what right one FBI you must admit that I

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 * am the Lord and Savior and it's like

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 * well um we are just not gonna do that

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 * mr. Koretz well then they're gonna hate

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 * number two you must have missed I admit

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 * I am the Lord

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 * I you we're gonna pass on number two to

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 * come on a good but good public speaker

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 * you're pretty good recording the last

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 * podcast on the left the spookiest

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 * podcast you're ever going to jack off to

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 * do you jack off for this if you do shut

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 * it off I shut it off right now so get

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 * off to this stutter drop in five minutes

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 * as soon as you finish we don't want to

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 * disappointed young jizz in our heads

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 * true that's true I'll just pause the

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 * podcast and jerk off to your own

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 * selected material I am Ben Kissel Henry

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 * Zebrowski Marcus Parks and this is truly

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 * the sickest podcast around today our

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 * main focus is going to be on the

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 * fascinating world of cults and all they

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 * have brought to our society that's the

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 * things the only thing about cults I

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 * would never be in one because I hate

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 * wearing uniforms well there are some

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 * more freedom cults I'm not sure if the

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 * if the Waco Texas people weren't

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 * necessarily forced to wear uniforms and

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 * then it was more of a laid-back cult

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 * casual if you will a button-down shirt

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 * you tuck it in and then amorous of

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 * course it was always palm tree Fridays

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 * yeah you got to wear your palm tree

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 * shirts was not a he had the long hair no

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 * no Barry cash I know we're talking about

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 * you it's like he and see the thing I was

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 * I was reading about it and so he's part

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 * of a thing call the Branch Davidians

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 * right well I mean he is the Davidian he

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 * is the guy who was like supposed to be

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 * sort of reincarnated Jesus type and you

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 * they have to verify it did you read the

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 * thing about how we got to be in charge

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 * of the bridge davidians no tell me about

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 * him and another forgot the name of the

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 * his competing guy another one of his

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 * it's like a cousin of his we're fighting

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 * for it and they dug up graves they took

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 * up the grave of the former runner of

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 * Branch Davidian and had a resurrect

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 * where they tried to both try to raise

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 * him from the dead

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 * I don't think happened but somehow they

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 * chose right when just his cousin behind

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 * the dude waving his arm behind I see him

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 * I see it and then David goes and he's

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 * far better puppeteering like fishing

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 * wire to I mean walking obviously he

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 * could have been a very skilled Jeff

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 * Dunham type absolutely I mean imagine

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 * Jeff Dunham is actually a very similar

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 * in personality right David Koresh I

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 * would assume so this is interesting as

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 * we all remember back in 1993 we were

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 * young pups but the Waco Texas raid was

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 * conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol

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 * Tobacco and Firearms yeah it wasn't even

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 * the FBI I always thought it was the FBI

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 * the ATF didn't they do that too because

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 * it was because they tried to traffic in

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 * old like the ak-47s and stuff like that

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 * and basically they got them on arm that

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 * was the charge because I guess you

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 * really can't charge somebody for the

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 * religious beliefs right you're now a

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 * fine ages but there's no like cuckoo

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 * laws well they're law you broke the law

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 * being cuckoo today and so you're going

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 * to jail no wonder wacky taffy land where

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 * all you get to eat is Cheerios and

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 * string cheese let's go there well their

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 * justification for for actually invading

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 * the place was the children it was like

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 * there were children being molested in

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 * there which they weren't well David

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 * Koresh set up the thing to where he was

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 * the only he dissolves all the marriages

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 * everyone was involved anyone who brought

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 * in like significant other and all the

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 * women he was the only one allowed to

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 * have sex with that see I was just gonna

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 * say I don't know what would drive people

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 * to a cult until right now if I'm married

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 * to a robust robust oh when she

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 * constantly shopping Piggly Wiggly in the

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 * wrong hands and whatnot

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 * me especially my wife she should I said

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 * all of a sudden this david koresh

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 * characters like hey come on over I'll

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 * bang her for ya I'll bang on you're no

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 * longer Mary - I thank God it would be

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 * amazing so I assume you've probably got

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 * a couple of guys in there just like take

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 * my wife please please take my wife and

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 * they loved Henny Youngman the coverage

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 * of the of the actual raid on the camp on

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 * the compound was that was one of the

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 * most terrifying things I ever saw as a

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 * child because it was a lie was we were

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 * watching live footage you know Texas see

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 * I found it exhilarating yeah I did I did

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 * but I didn't tell I saw a woman on fire

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 * one out of the building

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 * right on I saw that happen live never

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 * lie I was like we were all like what ten

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 * whenever that happened something like

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 * that it was horrified it was horrifying

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 * but I couldn't look away and I didn't

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 * have nightmares or anything it's

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 * honestly it's a cherished childhood

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 * memory for me that is just quite

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 * attached I lose anyway can you imagine

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 * like just being with a girlfriend or

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 * being with someone who instead of like

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 * letting you break up with them would

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 * rather set you both on fire you know

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 * that's real love that's real attachment

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 * I mean it's definitely real attachment I

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 * don't know if it's real love yeah

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 * according to the old wiki here so six

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 * people died in injury in these raids and

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 * evidently was a 51-day standoff yeah it

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 * was long it was a long is it that that

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 * sounds like worse than Jimmy Carter's

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 * eye Ron Hosko Jasin 51 days going to the

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 * house

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 * imagine like having to like negotiate

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 * with David Koresh for 51 days I was

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 * talking to the craziest dude in the face

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 * of the planet

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 * one FBI you must admit that I am the

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 * Lord and Savior and it's like well we

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 * are just not gonna do that mr. correct

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 * well then they're gonna hate number two

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 * you must have missed I admit I'm the

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 * Lord

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 * I you we're gonna pass on number two -

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 * but good public speaker

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 * you're pretty good but you're pretty

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 * good yeah yes the US government has

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 * recognized me that would be that is

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 * incredible I really wonder what went

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 * through these people's heads for 51 days

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 * how was he able to convince them that he

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 * was still right

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 * I guess it's the same thing as I mean I

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 * grew up very evangelical Christian which

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 * frankly makes this Koresh call to look

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 * like a goddamn you know kindergarten

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 * yeah you know dodgeball game no one

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 * really gets hurt

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 * as opposed to where the way I grew up

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 * it's bizarre to think and I think what

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 * helps is having like the FBI out there

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 * and all these people out there so we can

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 * be like look at them they're attacking

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 * us and the FBI was not coy they were

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 * like let's bring some tanks some

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 * helicopters oh yeah

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 * make a blame like we're friends you know

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 * ya know that's what you do is you kind

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 * of set it up it's like it's like

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 * anything where you can set up a we're

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 * the underdog we're the we're the

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 * persecuted ones and now we have the

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 * evidence for it that we have to be right

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 * or would they like be trying to shut us

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 * down so hard if we were the only ones

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 * who had the key to salvation and it's

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 * just pretty just generally insane I must

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 * clarify here on February 28th that was

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 * when the ATF went in and had their rate

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 * of killing six but the actual FBI raid

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 * which happened a little bit later killed

07:12 79 Branch Davidian I did not know it was 07:16
 * that high yeah 79 21 of hue of whom were

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 * children and I remember when this came

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 * out you know they had kids with guns too

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 * can you imagine being an FBI officer

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 * going through their full SWAT SWAT gear

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 * going through the house nine-year-old

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 * girl with an ak-47 comes around the

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 * corner fucking shoots you in the leg

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 * welcome to Nam I mean that isn't yeah I

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 * mean if you're looking at a child with a

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 * gun that's even more scary than looking

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 * at an older man because an older man has

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 * has some bearing of reality yeah has

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 * some sort of self-interest to stay alive

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 * this nine-year-old girl has no concept

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 * of life or death all she knows it's

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 * David Koresh and she's a nine so she's

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 * gonna be what do you call that

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 * prepubescent not prepubescent but when

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 * you're acceptable to VHD yeah with the

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 * trigger

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 * impulsive you know you think it's a

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 * friggin video game I thought it would be

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 * going out like boy talk about four-eyed

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 * it's sort of dark up like a mindset as a

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 * child and I probably would have killed

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 * someone much easier as a child I Oh

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 * totally you start killing somebody at

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 * nine years old

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 * as well if you're in these branch

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 * davidians I mean there's no use of your

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 * you rewarded for it it's like when a dog

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 * takes a shit on the street and you're

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 * like good boy but when I do it God knows

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 * everyone's up in arms and being a child

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 * too and you just like you have all these

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 * adults also telling you that the leader

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 * the guy who's fucking mommy all the time

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 * is also God

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 * so you just I imagine that it's pretty

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 * hard to question well what you were

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 * talking about earlier as far as like how

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 * do you keep people going for all that

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 * time there a ton of videos that he the

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 * David Koresh recorded Darren that siege

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 * and you can see completely it's exactly

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 * like it's the persecuted minority it's

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 * like you have to keep you know going on

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 * this whole time because you know we're

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 * right and they are you know they're like

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 * the that the Egyptians against the Jews

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 * all that type of stuff yeah I mean a

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 * common enemy is the reason that we won

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 * world war two both US and Russia who

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 * hated each other and then went on for a

09:21 50-year cold war only United because 09:24
 * they're like well I hate that guy you

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 * were perfect for that if you really want

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 * to get everyone banded up together you

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 * just have to have like so what you want

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 * to be honorable just wear good luck you

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 * have the snappy costumes but you have

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 * the Nazis ad right you know very just

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 * together ceremonies and have things

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 * called blitzkrieg yeah absolutely you

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 * know we were talking about last week

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 * you're asking me about you know just

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 * Texas have serial killers no but we have

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 * cults out the ass all today I just went

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 * back to Wisconsin this weekend which

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 * where I'm from but I haven't been there

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 * in five years and it was just so fun to

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 * see all this this room to grow and I

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 * mean that's why you know everyone's a

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 * bit larger and and bosoms grow like

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 * pineapples and you can totally see with

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 * the isolation out there imagine

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 * pineapple breasts I was like it would be

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 * rough food would be rough to suckle yeah

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 * I mean it would be the best cock

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 * fuckable no no you cut your penis

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 * yeah cut your penis you ever get a

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 * little cut on your penis well you know

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 * not it's pretty good not koresh to blow

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 * one cock blood to your perhaps a time or

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 * two but you go to these small places

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 * it's so isolated the notion of somebody

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 * come into town with an idea that is like

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 * progressive and new to these people is

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 * totally reasonable because you know

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 * frankly the people have ideas but no one

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 * is there to challenge them because

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 * nobody's there around yeah so when one

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 * voice comes in and he says mildly

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 * reasonable things and you know to some

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 * degree he's like you know once again

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 * you're in a bad marriage come to me

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 * you're a bad childhood come to me

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 * because it takes all the effort under

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 * your hands to change your life what you

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 * have is like yeah you know like yeah to

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 * give you guidance in your life when it's

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 * hard I also like antennas and also never

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 * perfect not only guidance friendship

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 * community a reason a purpose exactly

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 * they all did in Texas too it's perfect

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 * because there's so much space it's so

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 * easy to isolate yourself well the last

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 * call that was big in it was in Texas it

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 * was outside of San Angelo just not too

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 * far away from where I grew up it was

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 * that polygamist cult that they had they

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 * had a compound they were like they were

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 * very we're talking to Warren Jeffs here

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 * are we yeah talk about not Warren Jeffs

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 * that like this is a it was a not a

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 * polygamist it was more like pedophilia

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 * type thing like an amble attack on Robyn

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 * of molestation for children Ambler

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 * comedy show go pedophiles look at those

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 * sweet flat kids no pussy hair pulls in

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 * candy everywhere like just candy leaving

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 * into the theater I would join his cult

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 * in a heartbeat I'm the leader of it you

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 * know I grew up with one an hour away

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 * that was in Abilene and it was called

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 * the house of yahweh and it's still

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 * around like still around to this day and

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 * they had a they had a compound they

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 * didn't really go out it seems like it's

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 * based in christianity it's based in

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 * christian but so as the Branch Davidians

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 * will don't based on like that they were

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 * based on Christianity as well yeah but

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 * crackpot Christianity and it all just it

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 * sounds like sci-fi Christianity where

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 * they kind of talk about like Jesus is

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 * sort of like mystical warlord and they

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 * think he's gonna come back and it's all

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 * they anything about a religion that I

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 * that I can't stand which is like the

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 * idea that there's like specific numbers

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 * you're talking about Branch Davidians

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 * that Jesus is gonna come back he's gonna

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 * choose 1,000 to save and they're gonna

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 * go with him and live in heaven where

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 * they can all fuck other people yeah and

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 * that they can then come but then they'll

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 * come back and take over the earth the

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 * thousand of them just like living

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 * together what I mean Heaven's Gate is

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 * one of the most ridiculous ones yeah

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 * Heaven's Gate and I want I want to call

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 * Heaven's Gate out for stealing the Green

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 * Bay Packers logo take a look if you get

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 * a chance Google Heaven's Gate this man

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 * is obviously not the most creative way

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 * to graphic designer who who did that

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 * they must have had at least one or two

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 * just so can you imagine the graphic

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 * designers like going up to Marshall

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 * Applewhite look is this good oh you guys

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 * got like those like clear green glasses

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 * on like lives off the Bedford stop like

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 * walking on is like MacBook Pro just like

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 * just to all hipster but then puts on the

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 * Nikes and drinks the poison so put up

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 * their dicks to write it castrated

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 * themselves make the G more like that the

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 * Packers logo buy a chance yeah they can

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 * stirred yeah yeah took place in

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 * California in 1997 March 23rd 21 women

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 * and 18 men volunteer volunteer Lee

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 * committed suicide in three different

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 * groups in three successive days yeah

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 * which i think is interesting you would

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 * think after you see the first group

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 * killed themselves and not turn to aliens

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 * and not come back and be your body and

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 * just have terrible Nike shoes on yeah

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 * you would think you might reconsider I

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 * love the fact that it was so

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 * specifically Nikes - I think that was

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 * just so and you will my fake that I was

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 * just about to say my favorite SNL

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 * commercial parody is that they're

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 * showing the final seems like everybody

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 * dead and there

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 * with Nike shoes on they're playing

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 * revolution by the Beatles and then at

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 * the end of it it just says kids so yeah

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 * it was what's the name of the leader of

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 * this Heaven's Gate Marshall Applewhite

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 * Marshall Applewhite which is another

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 * choice you like mari it's hard to t like

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 * specifically create a good cult name

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 * like like cult leader name but that is a

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 * really good one

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 * oh yeah any David Koresh is a good one

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 * like Jim Jones good just sort of like

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 * anonymous sounding Evan Jellicle name

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 * the the new Jesus and we were talking

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 * about religion earlier and this is also

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 * I see now this is actually kind of a

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 * revelation to me because I thought these

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 * ideas were actually sort of more you

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 * know out of the random ether but

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 * Heaven's Gate is also based on

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 * Christianity but they add this

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 * unbelievable or unusual belief of UFOs

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 * that hale-bopp is gonna show up and pick

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 * them all up and take them to the

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 * promised land which is it isn't every

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 * single human being terrified of being

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 * abducted by UFOs not if you see it it's

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 * a beautiful wondrous thing and again

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 * it's all tied to sex and like hedonism

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 * it's like this thing that all sort of

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 * religions do of just like you have to be

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 * chaste especially Christian religions

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 * you to be chaste and sort of watch what

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 * you do in this life so the next life all

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 * you can do is bone each other run climb

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 * the next life all you can do is do all

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 * the things you wanted to do on earth

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 * yeah but you thought it was somehow

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 * wrong but when you're in the Lord's

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 * house he's just like fuck away like do

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 * it do it yeah I'm starin at you but it's

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 * fine that's why have you do it up here

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 * it's just so I could look at you do it

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 * my shit Wow come on come on ezel talks

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 * about himself that's all the cloud god

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 * oh god oh god blo God God God Oh got

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 * your little self centered well he's

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 * three people in one oh that you know God

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 * is Jesus and the Holy stories got his

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 * mouth filled up and his assholes doing

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 * but absolutely that's true about the

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 * religion that's the fun to talk about

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 * yeah uses similar terminology as well

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 * you know he has a quote here he always

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 * said that the soul is you know of course

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 * a temporary thing

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 * no the soul lives on forever in the

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 * bodies of temporary containers of the

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 * soul you know which is which is you know

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 * I growing up religious the body is your

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 * vessel all of that sort of stuff so it

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 * really is just an extension on things

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 * that people have already heard but up to

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 * this point no I you know heaven's gate

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 * pastor had been caught molesting boys

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 * now you know there was like no there

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 * were no children involved in heaven okay

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 * no I don't think so

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 * it was all old retard 26 272 that was

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 * the age range so fucking stupid I just

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 * don't understand how I guess you know I

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 * just would never do it I just would not

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 * believe him I would not believe now

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 * maple what was it Marshall Applewhite I

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 * would not believe him for a second I'd

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 * be like get away oh my god they all died

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 * wearing armbands reading Heaven's Gate

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 * away team there's Star Trek nerds is

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 * that Star Trek nerd thing there's a

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 * documentary out called the Phoenix

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 * lights that is it's another topic that

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 * will eventually probably broach which is

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 * UFOs but there was a series of sightings

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 * over Phoenix that happened during this

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 * time they were like talking about how

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 * that it was kind of connected to Hale

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 * Bopp because there was this whole thing

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 * this was all held Bob time as well in

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 * Oldenburg um yeah and like people they

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 * just thought that aliens knew that

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 * people were waiting the coming of Hale

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 * Bopp and so we'll do a mass presentation

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 * of our like existence while people

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 * already would be looking at the sky so

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 * you know they had conversations being

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 * like oh my god those people out there

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 * are so stupid they don't even believe

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 * the aliens are coming towards typically

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 * in Uranus human beings it's funny

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 * because doesn't the existence of aliens

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 * actually disprove every religion this is

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 * really I don't know maybe I would know

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 * we're no longer the golden people that

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 * everybody thought that we were supposed

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 * to be I think what really disproves

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 * religion is just the whole thing about

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 * it reason if it's like oh yeah

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 * everything that's involved with having

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 * to believe that an imaginary man lives

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 * in the sky and tells you various things

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 * that's true and speaking of religion

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 * that was Jonestown we got to talk about

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 * Jones down here

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 * now add the this day this is 1978 and

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 * we're dealing with more than 900 people

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 * died now this was also connected they

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 * the best part about this one too I guess

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 * it kind of runs through a bunch of holes

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 * where it's like how much coverage of

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 * themselves they get or it's like and

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 * especially nowadays you know that you

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 * know Koresh would have all of those

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 * YouTube videos and Heaven's Gate it

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 * would all be a channel on one of these

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 * terrible social networking sites and

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 * that's the thing they would have been on

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 * a youtube and they would have been

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 * ridiculed and it would have been over or

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 * they've gotten more followers yeah if

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 * you want more casual followers you'd

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 * have more people who are like doing in

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 * their home and then like sleeper cells

20:09
 * usually decide to like take action in

20:11
 * their own hands right by watching a

20:13
 * video on YouTube but then being like oh

20:15
 * my goood on a post office take a dump at

20:16
 * the post office yeah sure JonBenet and

20:19
 * as a matter of fact I think I was just

20:21
 * thinking about current um possible cults

20:24
 * I think that one fella the Terry Jones

20:26
 * the pastor in Florida and the quran's

20:28
 * who was just outside of a mosque with a

20:29
 * gun no it was shocked to be arrested for

20:32
 * it Ronin a goddamn GL someone to arrest

20:35
 * him he is he is in jail right now oh

20:38
 * good yeah cuz he went to a mosque with a

20:40
 * gun but so Jim Jones says we have 900

20:43
 * people dead we found I forgot what the

20:45
 * source of it was that we found the tapes

20:48
 * the ending tape soap in the Jim Jones

20:51
 * the end of the whole thing and what what

20:55
 * is it technically called the Woodstock

20:57
 * no Jim Jones woods Jonestown stop Joan

21:01
 * sandstone stuff oh it's just Jonestown

21:02
 * jokes what they call this trips yeah

21:04
 * I'll pull it up in a sec I'll give it

21:06
 * here

21:15
 * you

21:25
 * you regret that this very day if you

21:28
 * don't die you'll regret it if you do no

21:31
 * you don't die you'll regret it many

21:34
 * people I bathed them I saved them but I

21:38
 * made my example I made my confession

21:40
 * I made my manifestation and the world

21:43
 * was ready not ready for me part that

21:45
 * I've a man born out of due season I've

21:47
 * been born out of due season just like

21:48
 * all we are and the best testimony we can

21:50
 * make it believe it damn well but they

21:54
 * recorded their final moments so he did

21:57
 * it was a mass poisoning where everyone

22:01
 * in the entire community poisoned

22:03
 * themselves including Jim Jones and like

22:05
 * all the children there was like

22:07
 * countless children there as well because

22:09
 * the super family was I mean nine hundred

22:11
 * people that's the small town Let's Get

22:14
 * gone

22:15
 * let's hit DOM we had nothing we can do

22:20
 * we can we can separate ourselves from

22:23
 * our own people

22:28
 * and some of them and some of them

22:31
 * escaped and some of them like left

22:33
 * certain times and Jim Jones would kind

22:35
 * of like say that they were traitors and

22:36
 * we listened to the recording of Jim

22:40
 * Jones especially like essentially just

22:42
 * like leading the charge into the mass

22:45
 * poisoning where he's like trying to keep

22:48
 * people in with him and like I'll say was

22:51
 * in being distributed

23:01
 * you

23:12
 * my only the only advice I could ever

23:15
 * give to Charlie Sheen if he wants those

23:16
 * shows to start going better listen to

23:18
 * James Jones control and audience killing

23:21
 * themselves some of whom were like I

23:23
 * don't know if we should do this and he

23:25
 * he gets them for always points that were

23:28
 * minutes it is one of the most harrowing

23:30
 * intense awful things I've ever listened

23:35
 * to I mean we were also all baked out of

23:37
 * our friggin gourds that let's do it too

23:38
 * and would work I think that made it far

23:40
 * more terrifying yeah we all just sat and

23:43
 * just listen to it in silence for like 45

23:45
 * minutes but there's something about

23:47
 * listening to somebody's last words it's

23:50
 * a very bizarre thing and it's all super

23:53
 * creepy too because you hear like babies

23:56
 * crying cut and then it all just stops

23:59
 * and then silent is you know a cliche

24:03
 * deafening

24:13
 * you

25:44
 * most people ended up drinking a fruit

25:46
 * punch which hey who doesn't like a good

25:48
 * fruit punch hey I love kool-aid

25:50
 * especially haha this is really just

25:51
 * their senior prom

25:52
 * now they laced it with the cyanide and

25:54
 * the tranquil or I tranquilizers and

25:57
 * although also some people injected it

25:59
 * into their veins how how bizarre and by

26:02
 * the way Jim Jones looks like a bad

26:05
 * country singer yeah and he had a

26:07
 * terrible Lisp yeah nothing like a very

26:09
 * bad speech impediment to you know that

26:12
 * seems to be the thing with a lot of

26:13
 * these leaders they don't particularly

26:16
 * look charming a David Koresh he

26:18
 * certainly was

26:18
 * he was no you know you know Harry

26:21
 * Connick jr. no you know the man was in

26:24
 * Wuan the ladies by any measure but the

26:26
 * same thing with what we see with serial

26:28
 * killers who's kind of know I mean it's a

26:31
 * little bit of a serial different of

26:34
 * serial killers

26:35
 * life is all private like their their

26:37
 * insanity is on the inside and they like

26:39
 * put it on people but and and the cult

26:43
 * leaders are very public and they need

26:44
 * people to support them in order to sort

26:46
 * of validate their psychosis but it's

26:48
 * also strange ya know they gonna leave it

26:50
 * all big public forum but it's also it

26:54
 * just seems again it's the pavilion of

26:56
 * sort of these shiftless losers who the

27:01
 * superiority complex or they I mean I

27:04
 * think the fact that he has a speech

27:05
 * impediment the fact that no one's ever

27:07
 * really taken his words seriously is the

27:09
 * motivation to overcome yeah I mean

27:12
 * there's something I will say as public

27:14
 * speakers as we all are obviously we're

27:16
 * not afraid of being on stage you the

27:20
 * initial motivation to get on stage is

27:22
 * never confidence now it's it's sheer

27:26
 * fucking misery your life is miserable

27:29
 * and you don't know how else to express

27:31
 * it because your parents don't listen to

27:32
 * you God knows your father's you know too

27:35
 * busy working and your mother's too busy

27:37
 * telling you about the bread she baked

27:39
 * that was terrible

27:41
 * you know so and you're just looking for

27:43
 * and it's group validation it's sort and

27:46
 * then in a cult scenario you just have

27:49
 * everybody say it's an echo chamber

27:51
 * talking about outside we're talking

27:53
 * earlier it's like a you just have

27:55
 * everybody agreeing with it so it's but

27:58
 * everybody's back at each other up good

28:00
 * day in echo chamber two will go back

28:03
 * it's like a always they always tend to

28:05
 * live together in isolated area so when

28:07
 * yeah so one person says something and

28:09
 * then there's no validating voice there's

28:11
 * I mean nothing but validating voice

28:13
 * there's no voice from the outside

28:14
 * they're not having these meetings and

28:15
 * Starbucks yeah because if they were

28:17
 * having them in Starbucks somebody like

28:18
 * guys I think God I'm actually a Gideon a

28:25
 * Jewish fella here you check out the

28:27
 * Koran weird whatever there's no other

28:30
 * voice Hammoud salud

28:33
 * hey very nice no and that's it but and

28:36
 * then take it back into serial killers

28:38
 * it's just kind of the same exact that

28:39
 * we're there echo chamber it's inside

28:41
 * their own fucking brain and they

28:43
 * constantly rotating reiterating to

28:46
 * themselves and cilia right serial

28:48
 * killers I mean I think isolation is the

28:50
 * key to keeping a congregation on your

28:52
 * side well Jonestown was what an island

28:55
 * in the Caribbean this is right yeah

28:57
 * Jonestown took place in South America

28:59
 * that must've been gorgeous and boy have

29:01
 * you seen the video of it of the dead

29:03
 * bodies if you look around the net dead

29:04
 * bodies and it looks great for the family

29:08
 * on vacation like this cruise is just a

29:14
 * bust

29:15
 * Spanish food we gotta go back to

29:22
 * Pennsylvania

29:23
 * no wait mom just my mom just got back

29:25
 * from a cruise to San Juan and that was

29:27
 * her main complaint she was just like we

29:30
 * went to San Juan and there was just so

29:32
 * many dirty kids there we just had a

29:35
 * terrible time and I was like it's a

29:38
 * country they live their job to wash up

29:43
 * for know they sit and they watched a big

29:45
 * boat full of fat American bread exactly

29:47
 * I would love to get the perspective of

29:49
 * dirty kids be like look how weird and

29:51
 * clean and fat how do people live like

29:55
 * that very well exactly we really enjoy

29:58
 * yourselves

29:59
 * yeah it explains in South American oh

30:01
 * it's the best country on Earth it took

30:03
 * place in South America

30:05
 * of course it started in America but they

30:07
 * had to relocate and by the way murder

30:08
 * fists of the sketch group here in New

30:10
 * York they you guys were able to reload

30:12
 * relocate 11 people imagine Rico

30:14
 * relocating 900 people this is how much

30:18
 * big followed him it's a huge email chain

30:22
 * yeah it's devastating when are you

30:24
 * leaving Tammy I was thinking Monday at

30:26 9:00 Tuesday's better for me I gotta 30:29
 * finish up my final two weeks at H&M; bank

30:32
 * ok ok ok let's agree to disagree

30:34
 * some of us Monday some of us Tuesday the

30:37
 * rest on Friday but we're all gonna kill

30:39
 * ourselves right yeah definitely ok cool

30:41
 * start in California I think that they

30:44
 * did start in California yes California

30:46
 * is another wonderful hot spot oh yeah

30:50
 * and Manson yeah of course yeah we'll

30:52
 * definitely talk about Manson next yeah

30:54
 * so anyway so he got 900 people out there

30:56
 * the South America they ended up killing

30:58
 * the congressman of course which is

30:59
 * fascinating listen to that footage yeah

31:01
 * when he announces that here some people

31:03
 * realize they're in over their heads oh

31:05
 * yeah that's the other amazing thing when

31:06
 * you listen to this footage some people

31:07
 * are like oh he was serious I literally

31:09
 * just thought this was spiked with vodka

31:11
 * but this kool-aid his cyanide yeah some

31:13
 * kind of snuck up on them yeah they

31:15
 * thought it was a symbolic thing exactly

31:17
 * as it should have been probably should

31:19
 * have been no reason yeah it would be as

31:22
 * if it's the Catholic Church when when

31:23
 * you ate the body and blood of Christ you

31:25
 * literally ate a small aborted babies

31:27
 * body and somebody someone's true blood

31:30
 * no one would ever imagine that that

31:32
 * would really again that would really

31:33
 * sort out the true believer so that's a

31:36
 * good point they were probably about 900

31:38
 * left in the Catholic Church as well yes

31:40
 * speaking of the death tape on iTunes

31:42
 * where it comes out court like the name

31:44
 * of it is like the Jonestown death tape

31:46
 * and the album is the Jonestown death

31:48
 * tape but the artist is like Reverend Jim

31:50
 * Jones of the people's Tim title

31:56
 * is definitely his black album the best

32:00
 * news ever made and lastly with this guy

32:04
 * I think this is kind of interesting

32:05
 * three members of the of the cult that

32:08
 * did not go with them they'll ended up

32:10
 * living in the capital city of Georgetown

32:11
 * they killed themselves after they heard

32:13
 * about the mass deaths well of course all

32:15
 * their friends are dead I said but I

32:17
 * think that's even more that's even more

32:19
 * of a testament to how powerful this guy

32:21
 * was in these people's lives you know

32:23
 * they did not have to kill themselves

32:24
 * their leader was literally dead and they

32:26
 * still took it upon themselves to do that

32:28
 * yeah straight-up just do not get it I

32:30
 * just don't it's weird how I have not

32:33
 * that even I have a sort of understanding

32:35
 * of serial killers but I cannot fathom a

32:40
 * cultist members mind I don't know what I

32:42
 * can't fathom the cultist members mine

32:44
 * but I can definitely fathom the cult

32:45
 * leaders my figure as you mentioned

32:48
 * earlier Henry the greatest cult leader

32:50
 * which in my opinion is better than all

32:52
 * of the cult leaders we've currently

32:53
 * talked about because he did not kill his

32:55
 * own people he had his people kill

32:57
 * Charlie Manson Oh Charles Manson man he

33:02
 * is just crazy and people I think people

33:07
 * wrongly classify him as a serial killer

33:09
 * so much I probably killed some people as

33:12
 * well yeah he's an actor sighs yeah it's

33:17
 * about 5'4 with that you know nice head

33:19
 * it was a sore head yeah you almost right

33:21
 * bead was before wearing with the Beach

33:23
 * Boys right yeah I mean that's the thing

33:25
 * so boring but like he knew them and then

33:28
 * you know was a part of the whole thing

33:29
 * was that he forgot what member of the

33:31
 * beach boy like sort of can you imagine

33:34
 * first of all having that as just your

33:36
 * friend Charles Manson is just hanging

33:38
 * around

33:39
 * yes trying to make you give his shit

33:42
 * record too you're like very powerful

33:46
 * record we all know a certain comedian

33:47
 * who does very similar but I mean those

33:53
 * personality types exist yeah and I think

33:56
 * it would be kind of fun to actually hang

33:57
 * out with him for a little while until

33:58
 * you realize oh you're serious once again

34:00
 * with all these cold people are like oh

34:02
 * no I was just laughing these like why

34:04
 * you laughing at me man yeah

34:06
 * you're telling jokes oh great I just

34:09
 * remembered I gotta go pick up the

34:11
 * chicken at the YMCA down over in Minh

34:15
 * ask brain okay well I like your shoes

34:23
 * very okay this is interesting he was

34:27
 * born to an unwed mother and when she was

34:28 16 34:29
 * I did not know this she was an alcoholic

34:31
 * she sold him what are the options I'm

34:34
 * giving you a crack I'm giving you a beer

34:35
 * I'm giving you a new car what did you

34:37
 * sell them for more gonna give you a new

34:39
 * I'm gonna I'm gonna guess beer yeah yeah

34:43
 * if I was sold for beer by my 16 year old

34:46
 * mother I would hate women too I just

34:48
 * hate to say it at the same time if I

34:50
 * were to have a some sort of emergency

34:52
 * kid I'd do the same exact thing

34:54
 * emergency kid you know you just

34:56
 * accidentally end up with the child and I

35:00
 * love beer and I'm just sort of awkward

35:02
 * with kids

35:03
 * let me ask let me ask you this a a case

35:06
 * of Coors Light or a six-pack of dogfish

35:11
 * Head IPA case of case movie or a baby

35:15
 * we're not animal I want more beer for it

35:17
 * it would be hilarious if she was like Oh

35:19
 * for old English's the 40 ounces 44

35:25
 * ounces is it by the one okay see this I

35:29
 * feel like he is a victim of the system

35:31
 * they returned him to his mother

35:33
 * oh really yeah and and then she sent him

35:37
 * to boarding school which I how the

35:40
 * sixteen-year-old afford boarding school

35:42
 * well I would assume she was older at

35:43
 * this point you know it also bounced from

35:46
 * from boarders who loved boarding school

35:48
 * and eventually to jail immediately

35:50
 * I read helter skelter not too long ago

35:52
 * like talking about his life and it he

35:57
 * was a always a bad seed you know they

36:00
 * were talking about he was ultra

36:01
 * manipulative right like everywhere you

36:03
 * go not a single word ever

36:05
 * not a single true word ever came out of

36:08
 * his mouth right yes one of those guys I

36:10
 * mean that's the only way to get a woman

36:12
 * though to be quite frank especially in

36:14
 * his mind he's ugly yeah it makes a tiny

36:17
 * man and

36:18
 * women that he had killed for him I don't

36:20
 * whatever did squeaky prom was pretty hot

36:23
 * the only one though yeah the other ones

36:26
 * were pretty gross yeah you know a

36:29
 * woman's a woman and yeah when you're

36:31
 * when you're Charlie Manson it's just

36:33
 * cool to have your penis inside of

36:34
 * something other than your own hands

36:36
 * woman was the hottest one yes that was

36:39
 * his whole thing was to start a race war

36:41
 * that's like what he thought that they

36:43
 * was do yeah I mean going back to the

36:45
 * comic Aaron tape because they killed

36:48
 * Sharon Tate the idea was to write these

36:50
 * sort of incinerated when they wrote Pig

36:52
 * and helter skelter on the wall and that

36:54
 * was felt wrong by the way yeah and that

36:57
 * he Charles Manson just believed that the

37:00
 * police would see these heinous crimes

37:01
 * and blame black people right because I

37:05
 * mean he's also not smart specific that

37:08
 * was hunting but he's not like actually

37:11
 * smart he's a liar yeah I think yet going

37:14
 * back to what we were talking about

37:15
 * earlier with having a common enemy huh

37:17
 * yeah you know that was like that was

37:19
 * that the the busted engine actors home

37:21
 * who is you know the the the

37:23
 * quintessential has it all beautiful with

37:25
 * child married to a director makes great

37:28
 * may I am Polanski was a fucking amazing

37:30
 * direct it makes a big news line and

37:32
 * sinker and they totally went for it yeah

37:35
 * and the race thing that's right I mean

37:36
 * that was so perfect for the people that

37:38
 * he was talking to it was a white and

37:39
 * Power Man speech and you know just as

37:41
 * Black Panthers or you know whatever

37:43
 * Mexican love group there is it's a it's

37:47
 * a Mexican love they love Mexicans I mean

37:52
 * age is very there I just feel bad cuz

37:55
 * they're never going to enjoy a pierogi

37:56
 * parole they're just so good and they

37:59
 * just don't boil things and they don't do

38:01
 * it right we Charles Manson's whole story

38:04
 * though is just such an interesting thing

38:07
 * especially the time period happened it's

38:09
 * like such an anti to love movement like

38:11
 * especially with everything else that was

38:12
 * going on in California at the time

38:14
 * honestly I think he makes more sense

38:16
 * than the hippie movement to some degree

38:18
 * be the sort of primal hate does what he

38:22
 * is felt I guess maybe was indicative of

38:25
 * how other like the majority of people

38:27
 * felt well I don't

38:28
 * was having a great time mo you know I

38:30
 * think they've got all these hippie

38:31
 * images of everyone having a good time

38:33
 * tripping on the balls with the acid and

38:35
 * everything and they were just like yeah

38:37
 * I'm working in a construction job and I

38:38
 * hate my fucking life and I hate my fat

38:40
 * wife and I hate these kids this American

38:42
 * Dream is a nightmare yeah bring on the

38:43
 * race war definitely just an intense

38:47
 * thing to want speaking of white horse

38:49
 * that's where he so he went to jail for

38:51
 * the first time after committing some

38:52
 * robberies and one month before his

38:55
 * parole hearing he raped a boy

38:57
 * ah by holding a razor to his throat so

39:00
 * perhaps he was worse than I gave him

39:02
 * credit for in the beginning and they

39:04
 * just they released him two years later I

39:06
 * feel like you got to realize this guy

39:08
 * isn't necessarily the best person they

39:09
 * just bounced him from place to place

39:11
 * because nobody wanted him well yeah the

39:13
 * prison should have wanted him that's the

39:15
 * problem

39:15
 * and then Manson went to pimp young girls

39:18
 * and that's where he started he started

39:20
 * with these most of these girls were

39:22
 * prostitutes evidently and yeah he just

39:25
 * went on from there who was a pimp for a

39:26
 * while well last week he gave his first

39:28
 * interview in 20 years right and I will

39:31
 * so I just want to say this he had 18

39:32
 * women living with him really 18 and

39:35
 * Charles Manson not one man in the house

39:37
 * I thought that was a dude it was like

39:40
 * one there's a deal of guys you know

39:42
 * they're couple of guys you did all the

39:43
 * heavy where there was a couple of

39:45
 * meathead her name yet she had slaves

39:47
 * yeah oh okay they weren't slaves though

39:50
 * there was the other thing too was just

39:52
 * it was again it's another echo chamber

39:54
 * scenario where instead of serving God so

39:57
 * much it was this weird sort of social

39:59
 * Owen this is great they lived on this

40:01
 * guy George spawns ranch and in Oregon at

40:04
 * free rent

40:05
 * he just had Lynette Fromme her name was

40:07
 * fuck him ya know he was this like 80

40:10
 * year old blind man who like lived in

40:13
 * this thing and she would just go kind of

40:15
 * like suck his dick I didn't know what

40:16
 * yeah Wow

40:17
 * yeah he was just it was that was they

40:19
 * saying like you know they would do

40:21
 * anything and they were all the bunch of

40:23
 * Hells Angels used to hang out with him

40:24
 * too simply because like Charlie would

40:26
 * like give them drugs and then like make

40:29
 * all the girls sleep with the Hells

40:31
 * Angels and that one of the Hells Angels

40:33
 * kind of join up with him for a little

40:35
 * while and just kind of thought it was

40:37
 * all just sort of that he was just a kind

40:40
 * of a kooky guy and all these girls are

40:41
 * just

40:42
 * sort of here to kind of for free sex

40:44
 * sure all the time and then realized over

40:46
 * time that was very very sinister yeah

40:47
 * because we start talking about another

40:48
 * dude that they had murdered that didn't

40:51
 * up happening oh my goodness and he uses

40:53
 * Martin Luther King as evidence of the

40:54
 * race war coming very interesting stuff

40:57
 * there all right well good guy I guess we

41:00
 * got to wrap it up there I think it's

41:02
 * been fuckin awesome has been as all mean

41:04
 * about these cults and in the worlds of

41:05
 * Charles Manson now is the time for

41:08
 * helter skelter no added murder this has

41:11
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41:13
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41:15
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41:19
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