Episode 13: Chasing The Boogeyman Part I - Son of Sam/Transcript

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 * welcome to the last podcast on the left

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 * episode 14 on episode 13 I should have

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 * said that we're skipping over 13 because

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 * I'm here with Marcus Parks I am Ben

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 * Kissel with the scientists the professor

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 * the master of all that is horror and

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 * gruesome Hong Kong Henry Zebrowski

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 * handwritten on her to me I got rice in

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 * my shoes

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 * hey those are better than mine what are

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 * you getting your shoes I've got sushi

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 * shoes ladies and gentlemen it's not good

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 * that should be sushi flip-flops I know

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 * every year dhoom smells like tuna and

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 * avocado nobody likes it everybody hates

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 * me I thought that was just your shirts

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 * well you never know what I'm wearing

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 * you've been wearing that Suspiria shirt

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 * for about seven days now are you scared

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 * yet cuz you should be it's a bit stinky

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 * number 13 unlucky number speed of

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 * unlucky holy Lord the victims of this

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 * Son of Sam character ladies and

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 * gentlemen weren't barking in a new a

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 * journey we're going to be calling

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 * chasing the boogeyman what we're looking

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 * for is true New York boogeyman that have

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 * existed even in the past or exist right

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 * now or will exist in the future such as

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 * right bends children my children that's

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 * what I'm not going to have the Mehran I

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 * do have them immediately in cuffs right

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 * at birth you cuff him up officer hey

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 * officer B no I know where that cats

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 * gonna be doing preemptive strike yes

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 * what I would call it with your children

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 * you better buckle up Tiffany Kissel

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 * Tiffany Kissel is gonna be a real crazy

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 * kook job everybody if any Kissel's him

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 * that's a rough name it's a real rough

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 * name and she's a rough gal hey is that

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 * her bosoms no that's her back can't tell

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 * the difference she's had some weight

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 * issues dead let me see your face I don't

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 * have a phrase well that's what happens

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 * when someone puts a skillet to it when

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 * they're three years old you know God

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 * knows I needed to make my bacon you're a

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 * monster

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 * hello speedo monsters got Son of Sam on

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 * the docket Son of Sam was a true New

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 * York boogey man in the year of 1976 he

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 * held New York in a series of didn't got

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 * seizure of terror seizure of terror

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 * seizure each other literally July 2 July

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 * I believe it's a solid

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 * round number one and during that summer

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 * basically the whole city was put on

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 * lockdown there was a gigantic curfew and

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 * it became believe over time that he was

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 * targeting women with long brown hair

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 * right um so everything you find later on

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 * it was all completely not since he just

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 * made all that up it was all completely

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 * random well it was completely random but

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 * you know then again I think that he did

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 * pioneer a certain hairstyle that he

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 * should get credit for if Jennifer

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 * Aniston is getting credit for the

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 * Jennifer why isn't uh you know raise him

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 * right is that it was it the Rachel yeah

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 * it's the Rachel right after a character

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 * and so wise ins on the Sam getting

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 * credited for the princess Leah look it's

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 * very obvious the Prince alia was just

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 * terrified of the sunset I'm also going

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 * to put a grand coincidence card out

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 * there and say that Wow he waited lady's

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 * agility you don't get her for like six

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 * months bro man but this is the big thing

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 * princess leah was a movie took place on

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 * Tatooine in a galaxy long ago and far

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 * far away and while it was the same

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 * summer that Star Wars was released that

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 * movie was shot long maybe wasn't I

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 * played my card wrong you played the

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 * wrong card

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 * fuck you freedom bad so we went to kill

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 * number four and five we took a journey

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 * as we like to do so much and we went to

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 * Forest Hills so what are the two names

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 * of four and five the two names are

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 * Christine Freund Lincolnton blind and

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 * German for Freund right and Virginia

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 * Bhaskar each Ian ah that's fine that's

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 * it that's just your normal name so we

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 * went on our journey to Forest Hills we

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 * took the watch every day we take the we

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 * took the F train to the 71st Street

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 * Forest Hills stop by fuck middle of

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 * Queens you know but F middle of Queens

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 * God knows and we get off the subway

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 * station and it's very nice it's a

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 * metropolis type area there's a big arena

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 * you know which we can imagine it's

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 * probably uh you were very enamored with

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 * the pizzeria who know Johnny Rockets

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 * John Rocker there which was closed yet

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 * because nobody goes to Johnny rocket was

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 * also partially due to your attitude

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 * about Johnny Rock yes I always said that

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 * I have a power to do such things like I

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 * closed a bar in the East Village

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 * uh in Italian places well called sento

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 * set I've

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 * boycotted because they kicked me out I

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 * brought in my own coffee and I was like

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 * you know I'm having pizza right it's not

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 * coffee shop yeah so I put a curse on

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 * that place wouldn't you believe it

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 * two weeks later closed down and double

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 * whammy

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 * it was Mars favorite restaurant boo boo

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 * boyfriend win girl fight was your

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 * girlfriend's favorite restaurant and you

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 * got kicked out of there I didn't get

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 * kicked out of there I walked out on my

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 * own volition because I'm not throwing

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 * out a $3 thing a cappuccino from

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 * Starbucks your serial killer

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 * aren't you well Alan and I would say

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 * some ass and probably drink a lot of

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 * coffee all of these things happen

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 * tonight he's just such an interesting

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 * figure we're talking about how sort of

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 * Sam became a characters like there's a

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 * lot of serial killers that like to make

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 * things very personal like John Wayne

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 * Gacy was very personal Richard Ramirez

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 * is very personal Jeffrey Dahmer very

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 * personal killings was about sex it was

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 * about it did sort of taking control over

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 * a situation that they felt out of it you

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 * know and like you're Jeffrey Dahmer's

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 * they would collect body parts from their

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 * victims I mean Jeffrey went as far as to

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 * eat them so they would become him

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 * because God knows everybody wants to

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 * become a 13 year old Filipino boy yeah

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 * me to be able to kill the president but

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 * like I'm not a president now no you're

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 * not but mm-hmm

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 * you're powerful yeah I make spring rolls

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 * of my dreams okay um eating that kind of

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 * race but Son of Sam was trying to make a

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 * name for himself you trying to be a

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 * movie star lady today are our first

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 * celebrity killer given the tabloid era

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 * of the 1970s yeah you look at it's like

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 * him and you Jack the Ripper Zodiac

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 * killer uh BTK was very similar to these

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 * are like nobodies and New York he's got

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 * such a special breeding ground for that

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 * and the fact that there's millions of

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 * people here it's very easy to just go

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 * completely anonymous right you know

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 * you're just a number

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 * the irony of being around millions of

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 * people is that nobody sees you yeah well

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 * yeah I think is so bizarre because if

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 * you're in a small town of 200 oh I think

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 * Hank was at the store at 9:30 he usually

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 * goes at 9:28 what's going on in his

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 * relationship he's a serial killer better

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 * find out you know they have a stakeout

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 * every 13-year old boy

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 * gathers their bicycles and gets their

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 * lighters ready in their cigars and they

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 * go they stake out Hanks out

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 * cos God knows what's going on over there

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 * small-town life is weird it's different

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 * so yet Burke was sort of able to

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 * ironically hide under the guise of uh

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 * you know the large population and he was

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 * very common looking fellow he actually

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 * was about the exact same size of Henry

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 * Zebrowski yeah the perfect size he was

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 * the size of a human being yeah yeah he

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 * was definitely one size yeah he was just

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 * like one day like it's not going to help

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 * him as far as us well I mean then again

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 * if he was six foot seven he could never

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 * pulled out what he did it would be like

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 * if I tried to kill somebody be like I

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 * think the guy was six foot seven like

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 * let's go through the database we got Ben

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 * Kissel David Lee and I'm already stopped

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 * there's that tree over there

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 * great castle every time you talk about

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 * your size there's such sadness in your

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 * eyes because you know you're never going

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 * to be a killer you know you can't you

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 * can't kill and just not average enough

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 * that sucks which is why I love the other

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 * way he's able to blend in with society

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 * and his major goal is fame and we were

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 * kind of joking about earlier if he was

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 * in the reality TV era he would be Snooki

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 * or the situation or Vinny or yeah one of

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 * those Desperate Housewives on of New

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 * Jersey it weren't able to have a reality

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 * show they would probably be a serial

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 * killer yeah what yeah cuz it's just that

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 * same sort of it's that flaw I think this

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 * is the same flaw that exists in

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 * politicians is this a mother exists in

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 * us we're entertaining why are we doing

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 * this uh cue man dude dude I'm doing man

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 * I'm good I'm not gonna kill anybody man

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 * that's the thing I have a delusion in my

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 * mind that I am giving the world

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 * something right now it's true to really

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 * feel like people should be grateful that

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 * I'm speaking to them and why and pay us

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 * for it

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 * and give us money to do it yeah what is

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 * good about it let us entertain you for

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 * money we've done nothing to deserve this

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 * other than be tormented and dis Batphone

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 * update we grew up that that's all we

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 * need man the end but this is this

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 * breeding ground for serial killers since

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 * this type of you feel you don't feel

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 * validated with your life bro you want to

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 * go out there and put your hate on

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 * everybody and you know going back to

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 * what do like Dahmer was collecting

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 * skulls and you know BTK collecting hair

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 * samples he collected his newspaper

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 * articles and he was on the front page

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 * just countless times in this year figure

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 * in a 365 day year he probably was on the

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 * front page 50 60 70 times and when

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 * you're taunting the police you're just

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 * asking for attention and that that's

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 * what he was doing and then when they

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 * call

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 * ham there's a whole story of like in the

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 * end when they finally caught him when

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 * they tracked him down

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 * he was like through series of like

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 * parking tickets like is always fuckin is

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 * it's always yeah

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 * and then he he was like oh you got me

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 * what took you so long

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 * and he just made it super bombastic and

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 * he made up the story about the dog

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 * talking to him that was all complete

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 * bullshit and now he's also one of all

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 * the serial killers we talked about he

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 * the only ones still alive they don't

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 * know death penalty here yeah he's alive

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 * and he's in jail and he's an evangelist

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 * he do you found Jesus Christ and he's

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 * doing all that I want to write him a

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 * letter we will well I want to get him to

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 * draw a picture of puppies for us I think

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 * it'll be a beautiful and Getty like

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 * picture if you could just make a puppy

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 * instead of a sunflower be the happiest

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 * must remind wouldn't throw up throw up

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 * right yes I love it

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 * but speaking of chasing like the cops

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 * chased him we we went our ways of Forest

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 * Hills and this is the documentation of

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 * that event I will say this these four

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 * and five killings ones we're going to

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 * discover we're big in the case you're

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 * the ones that deemed Kim the 44 caliber

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 * killer because this is when the cops

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 * first put it together this right I'll be

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 * the same fella he loved that 44 caliber

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 * pistol I will say two gigantic gun it's

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 * like a it's like a gun from the Old West

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 * is that what it is you know a lot about

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 * guns I do how big is that gunshot it's a

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 * big fucking guts 44 Magnum and what a

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 * hole does that put into something you

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 * think if you were let's let's say we're

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 * looking at a normal sized squash how

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 * much damage we're doing to that set

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 * squash that squash is gonna be exploded

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 * squash time squashed

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 * so these people didn't look too hot

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 * afterwards they probably look pretty bad

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 * were they

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 * what sort of wounds did he do did he do

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 * head shots head shots yeah well he

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 * attended to do all head shots God knows

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 * it's not an easy shot

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 * that's what they were saying about this

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 * the girl Virginia Volga Shan is that

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 * when she had her books in her hand when

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 * he approached out of the shadows he

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 * lifts she lifted the book up to her face

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 * and he shot right through the book and

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 * killed because he didn't kill people

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 * very cool he certainly wasn't going for

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 * the grotesque or like you know you know

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 * putting people into crucifixes or

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 * stuffing them into fantastic sort of

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 * small sized dolls and then throwing

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 * those dolls on the windshield but he did

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 * have a type well his stuff was about

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 * building a character legs tightly

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 * toughest he said he they tried to build

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 * a type into him because that's what

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 * happened with my mother was this like my

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 * mother living for us all the time right

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 * around the place where victims four and

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 * five were killed and she would have to

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 * be escorted home because they sent out

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 * this bulletin after he sent out the

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 * letters it was in his first letter he

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 * just keeps talking about the beautiful

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 * women of Queens about how Queens is the

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 * most beautiful women and you know and

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 * they should all watch me said except for

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 * mr. Braus

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 * let's say that my mom was actually

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 * really really hot back in the day and

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 * she had long brown hair and that's what

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 * they said that he was gunning after was

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 * long around hair and the end they just

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 * found out it was completely random

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 * it's like calling a oh I'm the smartest

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 * kid the Special Olympics you know what's

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 * the take to be attractive in Queens

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 * couple of toads she got four toes I

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 * guess she's the most attractive girl

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 * around worse - the whole time her

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 * gestures he doesn't have a symbol stain

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 * on it the new thing on the gingers oh no

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 * there's one she's hot

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 * never mind I thought she was ugly for a

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 * second well that's a mustard stain that

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 * chick gives it up pretty good Jersey

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 * accent okay Queens it's fine it's all

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 * exactly the same same strain of awful

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 * the monkey that lives in Queens

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 * it's really like a down-home hero type

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 * this is the Joe Namath of serial killers

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 * Broadway that a nickname it is it is now

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 * yeah

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 * Great White Way Sam Big Apple son Sam

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 * got the location or is it more of a

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 * Michael Myers type situation where you

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 * just walked everyone

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 * we might be on a very similar journey

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 * let's just say was in unions we're

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 * shopping at Mandy's that fantastic store

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 * get read the shoe store yeah important

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 * Trader Joe's before but maybe he was in

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 * a whole food

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 * you know that in for

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 * a walk through this exact subway station

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 * six Avenue and

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 * taken is insane

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 * hideous entourage like

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 * we are we your entourage what the death

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 * of his mother is what set him off talk

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 * about that who doesn't say cuz he was

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 * given up for adoption and when he found

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 * out later on because he's a biological

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 * mother had an affair with other man

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 * while she was married to this did this

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 * loveless relationship with her with her

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 * the man raised him and he begged her to

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 * have an abortion and she said no and

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 * then the leader years later basically

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 * when he was a genius kid and then

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 * started getting in trouble they IQ of

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 * this is a gifted it's good right and he

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 * started getting in trouble and in a

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 * flight she told him that she should have

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 * ordered him but how many times does a

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 * mother say that to a child oh they're

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 * told it to me at least four or five

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 * times and she was more pro-life than

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 * that you know good knows a small ski my

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 * mom would put a little crown on me and

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 * I'd sit in a little throne

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 * and she bring me a little like candies

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 * and candied fruits and then normal

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 * candies and then fruit and then just

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 * lots and lots and lots of meatloaf and

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 * buttered noodles and then would you have

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 * for dinner oh then it would be turkey

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 * we'd have a turkey lasagna a turkey a

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 * meat lasagna interesting and then sue

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 * yeah and then clutter doodles

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 * the also mean he had a carcass that was

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 * all things they busted him

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 * they basically set up a sting

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 * they set up a sting operation for him

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 * and when they believe we found him on

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 * parking tickets

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 * they were giving him a parking ticket

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 * and saw a rifle in his backseat

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 * he came out basically of his apartment

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 * he came out of his apartment

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 * they basically grabbed him and he said

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 * his words to them were what took you so

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 * long

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 * you got me and they found a 44 caliber

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 * and a Brownback in his hands and they're

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 * like man you're really acting bizarre

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 * it's just a parking ticket

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 * take it easy enjoy anything that wrong

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 * I'm the right man

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 * Alan are you just a little traffic

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 * offender you're fine no no do you think

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 * he's the killer

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 * I don't know we better let's shift the

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 * logs I don't know man I want to play

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 * King Kong on the water play King Kong an

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 * arcade machine back back greasy

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 * well I guess we'll have to arrest him

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 * then people had guilty to it three

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 * hundred and sixty five years sentence

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 * which God knows he can still get out

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 * he'll get out he'll get out of the one

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 * ripe young age of 400 he is instant it's

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 * like human Manson can put up like they

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 * have to do all every year actually they

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 * hide and let him out I mean Batman

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 * always is more exciting when the Joker

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 * and the Riddler get out there is no

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 * Batman

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 * we are back Batman hat oh are you Batman

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 * holy shit I'll be the Batman or New York

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 * you're sort of like a Batman hey get rid

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 * of that baby changing with see he's a

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 * cat man

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 * yeah that's good that's good I could be

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 * a new Batman for the cat man okay so the

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 * more I go over it so his first first

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 * Judy in July 29 1976 Jodi Valenti and

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 * Donna Laurie Valenti survives the second

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 * time it goes out there October 23rd 1976

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 * near the Halloween out and he kills he

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 * tries to shoot Carl

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 * denaro and rosemary Keenan they both

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 * survive it wasn't a crack shot no

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 * absolutely not

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 * you know you work for the you supposed

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 * to work

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 * he wasn't a train he left they were

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 * supposed to be amazing and shooting No

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 * now he was just mad the third time she's

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 * mad at girls because they didn't want to

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 * date him the world would he's a postal

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 * worker the third time Donna Demasi and

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 * then eighteen-year-old Joanne Lamine Oh

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 * Donna lives completely but Joanne gets

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 * paralyzed for life so he's getting

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 * closer to killing them killed over us

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 * where he killed the first one but then

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 * he would go to the Miami Heat this is

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 * the terrible way to start a season think

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 * about this all right how we'll do see

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 * during these killers here's like 27 28

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 * was a young men - LeBron James there's

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 * nervous you're you're filled with hate

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 * you're probably you're fat you're sweaty

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 * and like you're holding a gigantic done

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 * you're trying to fulfill what you

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 * believe has become your destiny there's

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 * a lot of pressure on you there is it's

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 * hard for you to be a cracker the news

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 * media is starting to get to you he's

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 * reading the page six is all about an

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 * absolute I don't want to lose weight you

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 * know Andrea pies or get off my back

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 * that's true he's not getting past at CBC

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 * right all these stuff is a comedy

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 * so really we're going to - we're going

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 * to his first death in a year his first

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 * real kill one about six months because

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 * it's January 30th is the one that we're

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 * going to Kristen Freund I mean he just

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 * finished

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 * the world to finally get one

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 * you in a long time without killing

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 * anybody that's like it's like his penis

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 * in where I'm sure his penis is Myrtle

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 * first place at all

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 * I mean paralyzing somebody for life is

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 * like going to going into the third

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 * overtime in a game seven and the NBA

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 * finals are losing by one it's like

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 * you're so close I guess that's true but

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 * not you go away a limp

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 * and the end I don't think it was about

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 * that I think it was about his sort of

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 * when he and kept believing this is

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 * grander message of fear my favorite

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 * choice that he made here was against was

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 * with Judy Placido in Sal Lupu they were

20:05
 * both shot they both survived but they

20:06
 * were leaving a discount so he good taste

20:08
 * in music

20:09
 * salut salut prepare OOP what kind of

20:13
 * name is Lupin

20:15
 * it's a Nicaraguan and Willy Wonka that's

20:19
 * gonna feel a few it feels very um it's

20:22
 * chocolate ringing oh yeah wrong with

20:24
 * y'all - were the chocolate ring

20:25
 * I'm gonna name it first son Luke lupa

20:27
 * it's a good kill theory proves or else

20:30
 * he none of mine he's going to the

20:32
 * coolest I have a dream of it

20:36
 * Henry Thomas excuse me behind one after

20:39
 * telling him never telling these adopted

20:41
 * no fun everyone now hello everyone until

20:44
 * don't be like he's natural birth so are

20:45
 * you just kidding are you just gonna like

20:47
 * stay super tan or just a continue to eat

20:49
 * shellfish at your large or to and just

20:51
 * always be red that's good I'm kind of

20:54
 * red right now

20:55
 * you were ferry red right now alright so

20:59
 * we are one stop away from 71st Street

21:02
 * forest to

21:04
 * means how we feel right now boy I mean

21:07
 * I'm excited to get off this train and

21:08
 * see just could smell the air man smelly

21:11
 * over the Son of Sam you used to smell

21:13
 * like done w when I got like gun residue

21:15
 * gun smoke correctly headed into very

21:18
 * nice area of Queens miss Mina

21:22
 * Ellen person Avenue

21:25
 * branding on this train

21:28
 * and five these people are serial killers

21:30
 * going to coins colonel T is actually in

21:32
 * statistic like one in five people

21:34
 * circles

21:36
 * what if five people had one inside

21:38
 * surfaces and people well two of us or

21:41
 * seven out of ten

21:43
 * one in five people in serial killer

21:46
 * Queens 1 & 3

21:52
 * one in two people have had sex of the

21:55
 * corpse

21:57
 * you know people trust us Henry and when

21:59
 * you throw out a random statistics it's

22:00
 * one in three bullets and had sex with a

22:03
 * corpse

22:03
 * oh it's more than 3,000 that you're

22:05
 * right about that well that's a huge

22:06
 * difference isn't it I kind of want to

22:09
 * read another quick tip under the police

22:11
 * what if we just start great pretty thick

22:13
 * letters so police that aren't about

22:15
 * murders let us feel like like what we

22:18
 * did then we get that I made a waffle

22:20
 * okay

22:21
 * you're either well okay no you have it

22:23
 * how about the Son of Sam

22:25
 * the son this thing you like write all

22:27
 * these letters from the Sun to Sam to the

22:28
 * police

22:30
 * that's pretty awesome I'll be fine are

22:33
 * you to yodel today then we can be

22:34
 * prisoners you fucking forget to like

22:38
 * scare watch Netflix into queue oh do I

22:41
 * give a shit about you love this

22:42
 * understand

22:45
 * would you write it in your own shit you

22:46
 * read it in your own shit so it's

22:48
 * interesting

22:49
 * well of course you have to write into

22:50
 * your own feces I mean everybody knows

22:52
 * that kill a dog take its skin right on

22:56
 * it your top ten instant you choices set

23:00
 * into David lemon and David Letterman see

23:02
 * what it says good if he doesn't like

23:03
 * that send it to the bulldozer cocks good

23:05
 * yeah I love the idea I think this is

23:08
 * really going to help us kick Salima Cup

23:10
 * with the fun that's right you can't

23:12
 * smell me calm without come-come macabre

23:15
 * yeah kapre comedy

23:17
 * yeah welcome back to the search of the

23:22
 * boogeyman episode one Sunnis and victims

23:25
 * for five who are you with right here for

23:28
 * sale centers that we you are here we are

23:30
 * headed right over here Dartmouth Street

23:32
 * rhombus realism which is right along

23:36
 * this dark mystery

23:37
 * all right the swoop don't guess let's go

23:44
 * just this stuff Buster Bank relatively

23:47
 * here as far as the actual structures of

23:49
 * it it's pretty nice developed part of

23:51
 * town

23:52
 * it's very busy it's super busy

23:55
 * it's also

23:57
 * you know thirty years later yeah I

24:00
 * actually think there's something that

24:02
 * the city does I think it's very

24:04
 * interesting the city is a very short

24:05
 * memory right and city doesn't really

24:08
 * look different cities a high turnover

24:09
 * rate they like to bury the stuff I think

24:11
 * something happened when the murders

24:13
 * happened on here because this used to

24:14
 * just be mom-and-pop shop this was all

24:18
 * even I remember like growing up it's

24:20
 * like my mom who spent a lot of time in

24:21
 * this area and it's like completely

24:23
 * different there's all chain restaurants

24:25
 * look at this bridge here like this could

24:29
 * be like late at night you could turn

24:31
 * into a festival of whores

24:33
 * killing you and your family underneath

24:35
 * it me it's all sort of like - it's like

24:38
 * there's something to me it's very funny

24:40
 * about like small town nice areas that

24:42
 * are turned a nightmare works by

24:44
 * murderers that's why a slasher flicks is

24:47
 * so great yeah luckily we have Kiki with

24:52
 * us is the perfect definition of some Sam

24:54
 * victims just in case he's back here

24:57
 * someone of his copycat killers he'll

25:00
 * take her leave us he'll see us as sort

25:03
 * of his allies and joyous thing this is

25:07
 * it

25:10
 * it's quite nice yeah completely change

25:13
 * everybody smells really good too

25:15
 * yeah how do they do that if they can

25:16
 * make this part of town smell good why

25:18
 * can't they make all what the recipes

25:20
 * cook Queen Queen is a river of french

25:24
 * fried fat run homes bottom of it all

25:28
 * right we got the truth

25:30
 * this is Dartmouth Street here and I must

25:32
 * say it's rustic it looks very Jack the

25:35
 * Ripper ass she's actually completely

25:37
 * changed I wonder if this whole thing may

25:39
 * be told

25:44
 * I mean I will say on things will realize

25:48
 * they're literally standing on top of a

25:50
 * grape

25:53
 * we have overpriced Bud Lights and their

25:56
 * overpriced chicken fingers there is a

25:58
 * poor girl walking back from what is afar

26:01
 * nard University get shot in the face

26:06
 * here we go

26:08
 * this is dark Mar so she's just walking

26:10
 * by to cool better get that physics exam

26:13
 * better study pretty hard we're passing

26:15
 * to Dartmouth right now she's just

26:17
 * thinking about oh I think professor

26:19
 * Hampton was pretty attractive today do

26:21
 * you think he was looking at me I have no

26:23
 * idea

26:23
 * oh god who are you well apparently I'm

26:27
 * victims uh five like right afterwards he

26:31
 * would he came out from behind cars like

26:33
 * right here you see a regular parts of

26:35
 * cars park right here he came out acid a

26:37
 * very high-pitched voice hey curtain yet

26:38
 * you call me a word and then he shot them

26:41
 * isn't that really creepy that's

26:43
 * unbelievably fast that's how that's this

26:45
 * look what a cat does to a mouse this is

26:48
 * it there this is where I was got a for

26:51
 * Darmouth Brandon Oh ladies and gentlemen

26:52
 * it looks it's beautiful

26:55
 * it's all under construction it's all

26:57
 * under construction they're still trying

26:58
 * to rebuild and this is where that young

27:01
 * Emily it's gorgeous

27:03
 * and that's five garment yeah the house

27:06
 * right there actually does look a little

27:08
 * haunted Oh completely hon just keep

27:10
 * walking

27:11
 * so we know should we go knock on their

27:12
 * door should we knock on some doors yeah

27:15
 * free ham your embassy you remember

27:17
 * solicit shit I just understand the frizz

27:20
 * about the pub game I was talking about

27:22
 * this with Kissel about gonna wait for

27:24
 * good there's something is really

27:26
 * interesting about going like you know

27:30
 * you go to see mass death sites you know

27:33
 * if you go to Ground Zero or you go to

27:35
 * like Gettysburg or something has

27:37
 * definitely feeling sort of like gravity

27:39
 * tools you show up someplace 2,000 people

27:41
 * to die and it's just very interesting

27:43
 * just like this one like this is a one

27:45
 * woman died here there was like a pivotal

27:47
 * point of like one of the most infamous

27:49
 * crime stories in the world ever record

27:53
 * an honest woman here number five is

27:55
 * probably the reason that they caught the

27:57
 * Son of Sam to begin with because it was

27:59
 * at this point they realized they're

28:01
 * dealing with the 44 caliber killer it

28:03
 * wasn't smart enough to get two guns you

28:05
 * know and this is the way they're really

28:07
 * started to put it all together not to

28:09
 * mention you could tell if the place was

28:10
 * half this nice a killing in this

28:12
 * neighborhood must have been fucking

28:13
 * earth-shattering

28:14
 * you know this would have happened on you

28:16
 * know shit Bronx no one who cares what's

28:20
 * happening like the first to happen in

28:22
 * the Bronx and you can see that it's like

28:23
 * people just sort of it this makes more

28:27
 * of a statement well it's gonna be almost

28:29
 * any neighborhood anywhere in America

28:31
 * that's like a really good base which is

28:33
 * nice this front yard and for those that

28:36
 * don't think that the front front yard is

28:38
 * rare I haven't seen a front yard in New

28:40
 * York City in three years yeah

28:43
 * like yeah my backpack up you look

28:48
 * creeped out it is unbelievably scary

28:51
 * it's but you know at the same time

28:53
 * nobody is out here here no one's out

28:57
 * here you see how we could do it because

28:59
 * there isn't a soul

29:00
 * everybody has jobs everyone's dawei come

29:02
 * be Congress women or work for the head

29:05
 * of Sanitation tomorrow they don't have

29:06
 * time to be out and it's only 11 o'clock

29:10
 * at night it's dead

29:12
 * this is Mark no talking not even a bird

29:17
 * nothing not a car stop there's one

29:20
 * driver there's a young girl it's

29:22
 * straight so and you can see the

29:24
 * isolation we were out here you can just

29:27
 * see how it's extreme pause we're just

29:29
 * walking alone and if I'm ignore us or

29:33
 * isolated than a potato in the middle of

29:35
 * Iceland I mean not another one around

29:37
 * have you no potatoes in Iceland no it's

29:40
 * cold what I thought potatoes did well in

29:43
 * bad weather

29:43
 * well I think you were fucking idiot

29:46
 * there's potatoes that's what you said

29:48
 * when you and you're scared you're

29:50
 * abusive iodide I'm terrified I'm sorry

29:52
 * Henry you're not an idiot potatoes do

29:54
 * grow in Iceland I I didn't know we were

29:57
 * gonna be stalking about root fruits

30:02
 * it's not a fruit a root is a fruit not

30:05
 * potatoes not a special pretend vegetable

30:08
 * no no what yeah she's not dead is she

30:23
 * she just texted me back so she's not not

30:26
 * that you asked her if she was dead yes

30:28
 * you asked her she was dead did not

30:30
 * specifically ask her you could you ask

30:33
 * her ask her if she's dead does have long

30:36
 * brown hair we need to know for sure cuz

30:39
 * you're with us you're not safe she's not

30:42
 * safe either Oh take some footage with

30:44
 * your camera if you want to get a real

30:46
 * yeah let's keep moving along east gives

30:48
 * out more chemo I mean it's just so

30:50
 * bizarre because I'm sort of getting

30:51
 * feelings of like that where Elm Street

30:54
 * oh yeah you definitely my own master

30:56
 * chemistry it has the you know that the

30:58
 * trees make an arch in the you know

31:01
 * middle just gorgeous

31:05
 * no this is a very upscale neighborhood

31:07
 * this is what is going to happen I mean

31:08
 * like she was just coming home from she

31:10
 * was coming home from school you know

31:12
 * she's coming home to her she'll live

31:13
 * with her parents like out here and then

31:16
 * you know when he brought he brought his

31:19
 * misery here and he's such a coward you

31:22
 * know like you think you stood far away

31:24
 * any shot he'd look like you did surprise

31:26
 * shooting he didn't even do like he knows

31:29
 * he could have followed her though he

31:31
 * could have chosen her block away from

31:37
 * full Dartmouth so this is probably

31:40
 * around the area at that time

31:41
 * he ran away miss Froy was shot his

31:43
 * victims before yeah it was only like 5

31:48
 * or 6 bucks Garnica yeah these things on

31:50
 * me oh my god Vinny tied with Jack for

31:53
 * the nature of hearing I can't click off

31:54
 * of you take off it's gonna hit me yeah

31:57
 * Jesus Christ here this thing just is

32:01
 * something around here wow this is

32:03
 * probably where she died this this is a

32:05
 * this is a spruce made from her blood it

32:08
 * grew out of the ground where she

32:09
 * collapsed it's just it storms there's no

32:12
 * other thorny bush around except for that

32:13
 * one and the fireflies yeah are beautiful

32:16
 * yeah Souls Souls Souls a merciful

32:22
 * results Catholics have you know

32:25
 * Christians have weird dicks plantings

32:26
 * are a lot different

32:30
 * the only if we should look we should try

32:32
 * to stop when the password binds and talk

32:35
 * to them or quick as if they know I mean

32:37
 * they must know Botox I'd love to do that

32:38
 * we should just stop that guy

32:41
 * I think maybe let's have let's ask these

32:43
 * people about it ask hey guys

32:46
 * excuse me we're doing a show about the

32:48
 * Son of Sam do you guys remember anything

32:51
 * about that back in the seventies at all

32:53
 * oh nothing

32:57
 * Sam yeah because it's for Dartmouth

33:00
 * right there right they've did a big

33:02
 * documentary here it was shooting no

33:04
 * filming I think it was last year as well

33:07
 * I remember none of the girls wanted to

33:10
 * have long hair

33:14
 * and girls were like putting their hair

33:16
 * up in ponytails my mom was the same

33:18
 * exact way Jenny have like five blocks

33:20
 * from here and she's a get exported home

33:22
 * every single time she came up from the

33:23
 * train left you guys would walk her and

33:25
 * so the what was the overall like mood

33:27
 * cuz what is it with it this nice back in

33:29
 * like 70s I didn't live here I lived in

33:31
 * Kew Gardens okay which is right on the

33:34
 * other side but it was all around

33:35
 * everybody everybody knew we do we did we

33:39
 * do a lot of hanging out on the stoop and

33:42
 * not going far from home and all the

33:44
 * girls had their hair in ponytails or

33:46
 * anything to make it look like it wasn't

33:48
 * long hair that's so fast you know like

33:50
 * one person we had girl

33:51
 * O'Day I was super into them all right

33:53
 * yes she got shot right over here I think

33:56
 * it was that first girl that survived I

33:58
 * think yeah yeah she was right right

34:00
 * around here can you think of another

34:01
 * time where somebody that's like that

34:03
 * much of a chilling effect on it like an

34:05
 * entire population of like 9 million

34:07
 * people's like in there besides yeah when

34:09
 * the towers towers came down yeah that's

34:12
 * amazing

34:13
 * thank you thank you so much happening

34:15
 * sure take care

34:17
 * holy Lord Igor D what a journey that was

34:20
 * and what was most amazing to me was the

34:21
 * interview that we were able to do we

34:23
 * stop this couple on the street and I

34:25
 * felt so bad the the the food really good

34:27
 * at harnessing that - because someone of

34:29
 * your size approaching just a hey hey got

34:31
 * some questions for you hey let me talk

34:33
 * to you

34:33
 * Dylan a son Sam you know that peaceful

34:36
 * man I'm looking for my dad you ever seen

34:39
 * him it's the Son of Sam we stop there's

34:42
 * a fantastic lady Craig I'm the grandson

34:44
 * Sam hello I'm the great I don't kill

34:47
 * people but I say mean things to him so

34:50
 * we stopped this couple into it's a guy

34:52
 * he looks to be in his sixties or

34:53
 * seventies he's fat and bald so it's hard

34:55
 * to tell you know I that's they fat bald

34:58
 * men age like black women oh yeah I don't

35:00
 * know if you're 1652 more and more like a

35:03
 * fucking cantaloupe and I just want you I

35:05
 * just need to be in a khaki open eat the

35:07
 * meat inside your fucking husk that's

35:10
 * right

35:10
 * so we got this we stopped a couple and

35:12
 * the gal there she was nice enough and I

35:13
 * think they were together she was in her

35:15
 * late for you so he was doing fantastic

35:16
 * and it makes sense because he has to be

35:18
 * wealthiest held because the Forest Hills

35:20
 * area I'm sure that you heard it on the

35:21
 * on the tape I mean that's mansion it's

35:22
 * absolutely gorgeous head there they are

35:24
 * their own City Patrol I mean it's what a

35:26
 * creepy place say the silence and the

35:28
 * City Patrol did almost pick me and Kiki

35:31
 * up for trying to break into for

35:33
 * Dartmouth that's right and I forget I

35:34
 * want to thank Kiki you Prell for coming

35:36
 * along and being our gal on the street

35:38
 * there with us and people art Son of Sam

35:40
 * bait yes our son Sam bait and she'll be

35:42
 * will be our correspondents from here on

35:44
 * out she's super thrilled we're super

35:45
 * thrilled to have her on board so yeah

35:48
 * and I thought the the the the only

35:50
 * equate the only thing that the woman

35:52
 * could equate the Son of Sam to as far as

35:55
 * the chill of the city was 9/11 yeah

35:57
 * which I thought was an amazing just she

36:00
 * was doing exactly what he set out to

36:03
 * exactly what he wanted to do he was

36:05
 * little Lady gaga of serial killers and

36:07
 * he was born that way he was born that

36:09
 * way you know I'm not gonna be one of

36:11
 * these politicians out there oh maybe

36:12
 * it's a choice to be your serial killer

36:14
 * like no you're born with a Mis wire in

36:17
 * your head that's what I'm saying like if

36:18
 * you just heard that song or you know out

36:21
 * here walk by all right al

36:26
 * hi he would just learn that all you do

36:29
 * was dance you know build leather goods

36:32
 * that's right well the the look in that

36:34
 * woman's eye like that was such a sincere

36:37
 * look of fear yeah my absolute fear

36:39
 * whenever she was talking to pops right

36:41
 * back in yeah it does and it's been 40

36:43
 * years 40 years and still there's only

36:45
 * been two events since the same as Son of

36:47
 * Sam in New York City and one was a man

36:49
 * who killed eight people in another event

36:50
 * killed 3,000 and started two wars I mean

36:53
 * that's that is an astounding like I just

36:57
 * can't imagine like and your mother was

36:59
 * saying right like your mother so after

37:00
 * this like every single morning you wake

37:02
 * up you put your hair up why because

37:04
 * there's a crazy serial killer about

37:05
 * who's there trying to kill girls that

37:07
 * look just like you right and you get off

37:10
 * the subway I better make sure that I

37:12
 * arranged my appointment with Tom to pick

37:14
 * me up here because otherwise I'm gonna

37:16
 * be murdered by a random guy with a 44

37:18
 * caliber you know kind of changes it

37:19
 * imagined changed the entire face the

37:22
 * neighborhood and that's what she was

37:23
 * talking about to with like their I mean

37:25
 * we had a scare when I was growing up of

37:27
 * a kid who wouldn't bid they were yeah

37:30
 * they were like how is this fat boy

37:32
 * throwing up why is he throwing up and

37:34
 * still so fat just like oh it's cause I

37:38
 * got to be bid say to me and that's what

37:40
 * I said and they believed me

37:41
 * um but ravioli being excited yeah I

37:44
 * don't know what it is yo shit yet can

37:46
 * you get free different we're happy Yoli

37:48
 * so but we had a child snatcher in our

37:51
 * neighborhood and that was kind of the

37:53
 * automatic response was is that the whole

37:55
 * neighborhood just comes out where it's

37:57
 * like everyone was on the street at all

37:59
 * nights and like watching over each other

38:01
 * and it's kind of where parts of New York

38:03
 * again so interesting where we're a

38:07
 * metropolis and again there's millions of

38:09
 * millions of people you can go to

38:10
 * anonymous but then parts of the city can

38:12
 * just turn into a small town yeah you're

38:14
 * part of the said you could just turn

38:15
 * into the safety cloak of a small town

38:17
 * and same thing we're talking about after

38:19 9/11 what happened in the city where 38:21
 * it's just like it creates a sort of

38:22
 * surge of hope then because people are

38:25
 * looking out for each other and that's

38:28
 * what's wonderful about the city but also

38:31
 * allows it sort of insidious fucked up

38:34
 * dark shadowy side that allows ocean to

38:36
 * fester son

38:37
 * Sam really just brought the community

38:39
 * together yeah he was like like a

38:41
 * fantastic carnival coming through town

38:43
 * more barbering yeah everyone just came

38:45
 * out was just like thank you Son of Sam

38:47
 * we're having a great time I've never

38:49
 * felt this close to my guys they're gonna

38:51
 * fucking bounce e house good everybody

38:55
 * bouncing the fucking bouncy house gonna

38:57
 * say I'm ain't gonna go Murr got us to

38:59
 * gauge OE yeah Joey yeah this is not like

39:03
 * a Joey I look a god about your old coke

39:06
 * bottles the film was sand difficult it

39:09
 * said and I pull the googly eyes at the

39:11
 * outside of took a fucking person it's

39:15
 * the sand person like that movie star

39:17
 * wars Son of Sam has healed Queens again

39:20
 * he did he always has but so they

39:22
 * eventually got him after what was it

39:24
 * eight murders uh let's see here

39:27
 * it was it was eight total and yep eight

39:30
 * old last one was done in South Brooklyn

39:32
 * around Bensonhurst yeah you obviously

39:34
 * did to sort of throw off the trail of

39:36
 * everything else you yeah yeah yeah I'm

39:37
 * looking at a map right now and you know

39:40
 * what's funny is that uh some of the

39:42
 * murders I'd say at least there's two of

39:44
 * them that are just within a few blocks

39:46
 * of each other that was in fondles that's

39:48
 * where we were

39:49
 * oh no uh victims one in six in the Bronx

39:52
 * yeah we're real close to each other uh

39:54
 * and then the other three in Queens were

39:56
 * you know pretty far apart of course the

39:58
 * one down in Bensonhurst was very last

40:00
 * everybody uh but I find that I found

40:02
 * that interesting though I think I I

40:03
 * don't it kind of lends credence alike do

40:06
 * we know how he chose like his area I

40:09
 * think that he was very random he might

40:11
 * have just been in Bensonhurst that day I

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 * just like I go to bed I'm gonna kill

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 * somebody like the way that you just had

40:16
 * a stressful day working like a Coors

40:18
 * Light with the closest bar I'm pretty

40:20
 * sure it was a it was a mixture of there

40:23
 * there was completely random shit and

40:25
 * there was line eat yeah he coming of

40:27
 * course you know the irony of getting all

40:29
 * the press that you ever wanted was me

40:30
 * that everyone is on the lookout you know

40:33
 * yeah well that was the other thing is

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 * that uh during that summer there was a

40:36
 * gigantic heat wave yeah New York City

40:39
 * like so again everyone was just on the

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 * street the majority in New York doesn't

40:43
 * have central air right several inches

40:44
 * out and that also increases crime to be

40:48
 * so fuckin I want to stab both of you

40:51
 * right now

40:51
 * that's how hot this like coffee so yeah

40:54
 * fuckin hole right now I want to cut off

40:56
 * your skin and wear like a suit and kill

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 * myself

40:58
 * yeah be like why Muslims guess where

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 * we're burkas it's surprisingly enough

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 * makes you war or colder is that it snow

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 * yeah of course that's why they wear it

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 * I'm wearing shorts I know but if you

41:08
 * were in a burka you would be more

41:09
 * comfortable I'm covered in hair though

41:12
 * well you yeah I'm not saying you're

41:13
 * exactly like an Arab woman you're like

41:15
 * less hairy but I want to that on they

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 * wear hats and read that Batman hats oh

41:20
 * no no no they don't believe in fucking

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 * Batman because they don't like to have

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 * images of their gods Batman's the only

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 * thing I worship absolutely thing is

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 * gonna save us in the end

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 * and Ray Henry come help me I'm Batman

41:34
 * God yeah Henry go into the store and get

41:38
 * my robot awesome I can't go anywhere

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 * dressed like this man I'm gonna do

41:43
 * anything for you Bob where's Batman you

41:46
 * my new boss dag you and Ray is that how

41:49
 * it's gonna happen yeah Batman fell in

41:52
 * hard time and recession thank God you

41:54
 * know thank God I need fucking some but

41:57
 * it's not good to pick me up out of this

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 * bullshit

41:59
 * cuz I'm gonna live to 87 so I got to do

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 * something I got 90 I don't know what

42:03
 * those three years are gonna be like

42:04
 * without you mr. Zebrowski there's gonna

42:06
 * be you playing Yahtzee by yourself

42:07
 * trying to jerk off your dead penis I

42:10
 * just can't wait to finally win it every

42:11
 * time I play yatzee yatzee doesn't even

42:13
 * matter I win it all

42:15
 * but yeah so that's pretty much where

42:17
 * we're at with Son of Sam it was an

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 * amazing journey and we were thrilled to

42:21
 * go on it I just want to go deeper into

42:23
 * the city this and we're going to we're

42:24
 * going to continue our search for the New

42:26
 * York boogie man over the next couple of

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 * episodes we really want to find

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 * something regal they'll be completely

42:31
 * honest want to find something that he's

42:33
 * genuinely fucking frightening if you

42:35
 * have any advice please leave a comment

42:37
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42:39
 * comedy radio calm send us an email

42:41
 * actually at a CCR podcast network at

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 * gmail.com

42:44
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42:47
 * podcast network at gmail.com wow that's

42:50
 * a lot of that's a lot of email a lot of

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 * letters I don't know if our fans

42:54
 * remember to figure it out just joking

42:55
 * you're so smart

42:58
 * but yeah we're getting deep we're gonna

43:00
 * get deep and frighten ourselves we're

43:01
 * gonna frighten you that's right we got

43:03
 * Kiki she's going out this week in New

43:05
 * Orleans she's gonna try to interview a

43:07
 * voodoo priest and I imagine she's gonna

43:08
 * get a lot out of him he's gonna be area

43:10
 * rugs Camila are looking buggy buggy look

43:12
 * Allah Allah you see me bones

43:14
 * Oh I throw the bones it means you're

43:17
 * gonna get sick and of course that's just

43:19
 * a homeless fella right outside of Penn

43:20
 * Station I cross the bones every once in

43:22
 * a while yeah who doesn't toss bones I

43:24
 * toss bones but it always just comes out

43:26
 * as bones yeah look at that him ditches

43:29
 * bones yeah huh well it's fun it must be

43:32
 * nice to actually feel a bone he's a

43:33
 * little chubby ladies and gentlemen how

43:35
 * are ya oh my god I have nothing ladies

43:39
 * and gentleman you have a whole bunch of

43:40
 * stuff and go out and do it because this

43:42
 * episode of last podcast on the left is

43:44
 * over and I think we're gonna be trying

43:45
 * to go to Elbert fish's house next time

43:46
 * there'll be a lot of fun will your movie

43:48
 * to a whole whole series we do a lot of

43:49
 * creepy shit I love it and I love you

43:51
 * Marcus I love you beh love you Henry

43:53
 * I love you Ben all right this I'm glad

43:55
 * you guys survived the massive car

43:56
 * accident you guys are happy you don't

43:58
 * love Marcus that's the best part about

43:59
 * this is that you think that God has

44:01
 * forgotten about us if he exists but two

44:04
 * of you guys probably should be dead we

44:06
 * talked about it in the top hat - yeah we

44:08
 * probably should be it was very possible

44:09
 * you know we should definitely be dead

44:11
 * Son of Sam she just figured there's

44:12
 * nothing up there is there and the only

44:14
 * random chance totally red and we could

44:15
 * have just been dead like this you'd be

44:17
 * up here you know doing this pod kids by

44:19
 * yourself but none of the cords be

44:20
 * plugged in oh no I heard shouting at the

44:23
 * bathroom somebody's in there somebody

44:26
 * are you in there you do podcasts we're

44:29
 * doing it right now don't get out of

44:30
 * there hey Marcus and Ben died in a car

44:32
 * accident Oh dirty transfer over the Son

44:34
 * of Sam files before he died

44:35
 * do we still have those I would never

44:38
 * fucking do that I would never do thank

44:40
 * you rate all right this is the last box

44:43
 * on the left we'll talk to you next week

44:45
 * hey let's come up with the catchphrase

44:46
 * right now uh-huh look it's in town

44:49
 * bucket to town uh-huh kids of town I

44:52
 * don't know I put a buckets of cow and

44:53
 * named buckets of town congratulations

44:56
 * Jesus Christ then how about congratulate

44:59
 * that's your all right well I'll see you

45:01
 * next week we're gonna tie I'm looking

45:02
 * forward to it I'm gonna stick with that

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 * one cuz my graduation is good megusta uh

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 * yeah gusta megusta congratulations

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 * ah mines me gusta megusta

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 * congratulations is mine and I have yeah

45:16
 * okay I have made goo so you can have

45:19
 * congratulations

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 * I get megusta mo gusta I'm looking

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 * forward to it congratulations that

45:24
 * sounds good

45:25
 * is it good I like a trilayer motto which

45:31
 * one more what one more

45:33
 * megusta congratulation less you have it

45:37
 * what I'm looking forward to it it's all

45:39
 * over I'm looking forward to that's good

45:42
 * congratulations Jesus when goosed

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 * already it'll never end I don't know if

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 * I used to means what is but gusta it

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 * megusta means I like it it does yeah

45:52
 * congratulations means congratulations

45:55
 * for doing well

45:56
 * yeah I'm Agusta it I might like it I'm

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 * all I'm Agusta it oh it doesn't matter

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 * today gusta lations me alright McGoo

46:07
 * still Asians ladies and gentlemen Magoo

46:09
 * still Asians it is good night go do

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 * something terrible